Spanking Art & Story Sites: |
You've seen SpankArt's delightful work scattered about various Drawings Galleries on this website. Does viewing his spanking art and others like it make you want to try your hand at creating some original images of your own? If so, SpankArt's website, A Spanking Art Genre is for you! It is full of useful pointers for beginning artists with tips on drawing in general, and on drawing of juvenile spankings in particular. |
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(And of course, when you
finish that */f image, submit it via email it to
Handprints for possible inclusion in a future Drawings
Gallery!)
Original art by Bee Bee (Phoebe) and spanking images from
Little Audrey, Richie Rich and other comics. If anyone
has a current url for this site, please let me know.
[link should work now!]
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A nice Japanese spanking anime-style site by Makoto. |
More original spanking art from Japan. |
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Have
you ever wondered whether or not that gorgeous actress
or other female celebrity was spanked as a child, and
if so, how? Then this is the site for you!
Debbie Boone (pop singer): "When [younger sister] Laury and I were about six or seven, we shared a bedroom. Every afternoon about 1:00 my mother sent us to our room for a nap. One day we were horsing around instead of sleeping and accidentally knocked over a big lamp. The clatter was sure to attract attention. I heard someone coming down the hall toward our room. Jumping under the covers, I left Laury to face our angry father. He caught her out of bed and she got the spanking, while I pretended to wake up startled from all the noise." "Spankings, especially from my father, were not just a perfunctory pat on the behind. He meant for us to remember them and used a slipper, belt, or anything else that stung. The number of whacks on our bare bottoms depended as much on our reaction to being caught as the offense itself. We could expect more if we had lied or talked back." "Often with tears still fresh in our eyes, [my three sisters and I] would go up to my room and compare war wounds. Bending over, we'd back up to the mirror to see whose backsides had the reddest marks. Mine were always the worst, mainly because I had the most sensitive skin." "Another time Laury was paddled when I deserved it came when we were playing "truth or dare." The game involved a choice between answering any embarrassing questions the other players could think up or accepting a dare to do crazy or sometimes dangerous things. One summer at camp, I made others eat horse manure and even tried it myself. At home, I had been known to dare my sisters to jump from tall trees or rooftops." "This time I made Laury take off her clothes and ride her bicycle around the driveway. She was only nine, nothing too obscene, but there she went after we taunted her sufficiently. Our family home is right on a busy intersection, and Laury had to ride around our circular driveway and out onto the sidewalk-five times in all. Lindy and I hid in the bushes, laughing hysterically, especially when a tour bus drove by to show out-of-state visitors "the homes of the stars."" "Laury was tooling around on her fourth trip, when our mother came back from a shopping trip. The car screeched to a halt in the driveway, and Laury was grabbed off that bike almost quicker than we knew it. Lindy and I stifled our laughter as we watched Laury's bare behind disappear through the front door under my mother's strong right arm." "I never said a word to
protect Laury. She had once told me she'd
rather take the punishment than watch me get
paddled. That was fine with me. I figured at the
time that if she was that dumb, I wouldn't
stand in her way. Today, I recognize that
Laury wasn't dumb. What I mistook as
stupidity was really the seed of warm
sensitivity and compassion for other people."
"I was required to have perfect manners, good school reports, to care for our home, to be tidy about the house and to maintain a reputation for moral behaviour that brought credit on the family. I didn`t always do this. Indeed I was a thoroughly normal, boisterous easily-bored child, who would risk the odd lie if it covered a minor transgression. And it was the lie that engendered the greatest thrashing. It was wartime and sugar was rationed. A bowl of this forbidden delight sat in the middle of the table while my mother fetched some cakes from the kitchen. A quick lick of my finger, a quick dip in the gorgeous sweetness and all was as normal when my mother returned. Except that there suddenly appeared a gaping, glaring crater in the middle of the forbidden food, clear evidence of a crime, clear evidence of my guilt. But I denied all knowledge. So now it was two crimes - stealing and lying. There was to be no discussion of the matter. Retribution was immediate and memorable. I got the slipper on a bare backside." "I had something happen to me when I was 13 years old. I was at school, 1st week of school, and I was away sick for 1 day, and the day I was away they outlawed handstands, I didn`t know, and when I came back someone said I bet you Ten Bucks you can`t do a handstand longer than me, so I said ok. The bell rang and there I was, my dress around my neck and my pantaloons showing. So I was pulled up in an
assembly in front of the entire school by one
of the nuns, to be made an example of, and she
bent me over in front of 600 students, I was
the new girl - I only knew two, bent me over
and whipped me on my little pantaloons. Most
embarrassing, it was very tough. "That afternoon Mother had summoned me into the front hall, where I was confronted by a clot of self-conscious strangers. When she asked me to give them a little song-and-dance routine, I stuck out both my chin and lower lip and shook my head. Apologizing profusely, Mother bid them good-bye and steered me into another room, one stiff finger between my shoulder blades. "Take down your pants," she commanded, and produced a wooden yardstick from her cupboard of sewing materials. "Bend over!" She was not fooling. So far as I knew, few people had inspected my bottom bare. It was not my most impressive feature, and my instinct always was to hid it. I was mortified to be hunched over, staring at a wooden floor with my nude bottom upended. Her yardstick fell with a sharp thwack. It really didn't sting, but I didn't laugh and didn't straighten up. It was ineffective punishment; my bottom, then and now, made me the original dead-end kid. The second time her stick cracked in two, sending the broken end clattering across the floor. I turned and peered up. Mother was staring at the shattered stub still clutched in her hand, her eyes glistening. Slowly I eased off her lap and pulled up my panties. She had started crying silently, so I put my arms around her and nestled one cheek close against her chin. In a moment she dropped the broken stub to the floor and put her arms around me, tears dampening both her face and mine. The moment was a watershed, in more ways than one. We remained in our embrace a long time, silent symbolism of the love and sense of partnership which would characterize our lifelong relationship. It was my first spanking from her, but not the last."
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HOUSEWIVES IN CHARGE
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IN MEMORY OF GEORGE
JACKSON CHURCHWARD [down]
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SPANKING DISCUSSION BOARD [down]
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MORE MEMORIES OF CHILDHOOD SPANKINGS [down]
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Gauis Marius, the creator of Glory Bee, draws in
the tradition of mainstream children's comic
books of the 40's and 50's - where the child heroine
as often as not finds herself face down across an
adult lap getting her panties warmed in the final
panel. Gauis writes:
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"Not even this bibliography can contain every
book in which somebody gets a slap on the behind or a
threat of a slap or a spanking. I tried to include
those books with scenes which would appeal to somebody
as obsessed as I am. I had a slight prejudice towards
classics, Twain gets in for the Becky Thatcher episode
which probably wouldn't have merited mention if it had
been by a lesser writer. I am a purist, I tried to
steer away from what could be called beatings or
whippings of slappings rather than spankings. Like
most of us, I am a glutton for details, I want to read
about lowered panties, rolled up sleeves, kicking,
begging, and bright red bottoms."
[Below is just a small sample. There's lots more where these came from. - HP]
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SPANKING MEMORIES MESSAGE BOARD (closed)
"I love spring time when it's
warm enough for my neighbors to open up their windows
and doors to the outside air. "Two weeks ago my next door neighbor spanked one of her kids. Since both kids are in the first and second grade I couldn't tell if it was the boy or the girl that was getting the spanking. But, for a good minute I strained to listen to someone's bottom getting tanned."
"when i was young, i got spanked often by my mother, it was normal back then. one time i got my sunday best messy after church, she pulled me to the bench in the park, lifted up my dress, pulled down my panties, and pulled me over [her] knee, then she spanked my bare bottom good and hard, i was 6 i think then, as i got older she used a hairbrush , but always bare botttom..." |
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Click here for selected passages from the previous, now-defunct Childhood Spanking Memories forum of the same name.
Click here for selected passages from the current forum.
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THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS
(Thanks to
Jason for discovering these! -HP)
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Spanking fiction by Tasha, with a mixture of adult and juvenile spankees. Here are some exerpts: |
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Spanking fiction by Breanna Carter. |
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This is a Japanese site with */f spanking artwork, gif animations, shockwave animations and more, all from spanking artist, Kitora. |
Spanking at Home and at School [down]
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Ann, early in her career
as a spanking artist
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Childhood Spanking Memories
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Spanking Memories
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The introductory page reads, "This web
site contains fiction and a little non-fiction about
Male/Male discipline, ie. the spanking of boys, male
teens and adults by other males. These stories are in
all styles and cover the entire range of discipline
scenarios, from the use of belt, switch, paddle or
slipper at home, or cane, birch and tawse at school,
through judicial and military whippings to fun
spanking games and consensual S&M
relationships." However, some stories do feature
female spankers and even the occasional juvenile
female spankee. Exerpts follow:
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HARD TO FORGET SPANKINGS
Childhood spanking memories by Lynx.
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(If the above link doesn't work,
try this)
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Anti-Spanking Resources: |
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"It
hurts and it's painful inside - it's like
breaking
your
bones." -7 y.o. girl
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Author Diana
Halvorsen and her
unspanked daughter
make cookies together.
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THANKS
BUT
NO SPANKS
Physical
punishment
only hurts kids, study argues
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Christian
Crusaders
Go to Battle Over Spanking
Tools
of
discipline horrify some of faithful
"The Rod" is designed give Christian
home schooled children very severe "faith based"spankings.
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By Rebecca When you made me bend over
When repeatedly the sound
When you made me hold you close
When each day that this
continued (You did it to Jesus.)
And the King will tell
them, Matthew 25:40
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OPEN LETTER TO
ROY LESSIN - AUTHOR OF "SPANKING: WHY, WHEN, HOW."
By
Beth F.
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Roy's daughter Lydia
was a
playmate of Beth's as
a child.
Please
Don't
Spank Or Slap Your Children
By Katharine O.
Katharine at age
10, with her brother.
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Suffer The Little Children
by Joan V.
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Non-abusive
"Loving Spankings" Messed Me Up For Life
By Carol
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Pro-Spanking sites: |
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Tongue in cheek, the author writes, "I am nearly ashamed to admit it, but she actually struck us. Not once, but each time we had a mind of our own and did as we pleased. That poor belt was used more on our seats than it was to hold up Daddy's pants. Can you imagine someone actually hitting a child just because she disobeyed?" |
So sparsely employed today, And when we so richly deserved it, |
No other site on the web goes into such great detail explaining exactly how to give a child a spanking. For example, the author writes, "The pants can either be taken down to the ankles, to the knees (halfway down), or to just below the buttocks, although the latter is less advisable. (It obstructs the spanking "sit spot," see below, besides, taking the pants a bit lower than absolutely necessary increases the ritual aspect of the baring.) They can also be removed completely, then they won't be dangling somewhere. Pants are best taken down just before the child gets into position. For girls who wear dresses or skirts, the skirt can simply be turned up after the girl is over the parent's lap." |
"Find an armless chair which, when you sit in it, your thigh is above the child's knee, ideally at about the middle of the child's thighs. Take the child's left wrist in your right hand and take him/her to your selected chair. Sit down, with the child on your right side. For this to work, you MUST spread your knees. The child's weight will be supported on your lap, and by spreading your knees, you gain stability. Transfer the child's wrist to your left hand and pull him/her over your lap. Pull him/her to your left, and lean, if you must. The child has to lean forward against your right thigh, and once you've pulled his/her center of gravity past your thigh, he/she will "trip" over your right thigh and instinctively will catch himself/herself with his/her right hand on your left thigh. He/she will now be lying across your lap, with his/her feet off the floor. Now, use your left hand to hold his/her upper body. The right hand, of course, is occupied with [slapping] the now positioned bottom." |
"If you have ever played congas, bongos, tennis or squash, you will know what it means to keep your wrist flexible. Keep your four fingers together and relaxed, too. Note that it will be mainly your fingers that do the work, not your palm. Your thumb will not participate much, so you can move it a bit out of the way. Concentrate on where and how your four fingers make contact with the child's bottom." |
The majority of parents who use spanking prefer to spank their children bare-bottomed. It has a number of advantages:
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"The pants can either be taken
down to the ankles, to the knees (half way down), or
to just below the buttocks, although the latter is
less advisable (taking the pants a bit lower than
absolutely necessary increases the ritual aspect of
the baring). They can also be removed completely;
then they won't be dangling somewhere. For reasons
of modesty, the pants are best taken down just
before the child gets into position. For girls who
wear dresses or skirts, the skirt can simply be
turned up after the girl is over the parent's lap.
"When taking the pants down, the parent should not just yank them down. This not only eliminates the ritual aspect of the baring, but in case of a boy, could cause injury to his genitals. The procedure should be done slowly, but deliberately. With the child standing in front of you, slide the outer garment (pants or shorts) down to the desired position, leaving the underwear in place. Then take down the underwear to the desired position, preferably slightly higher than the outer garment, but low enough to bare the entire bottom. If the child is wearing a garment that does not require underwear, such as pajamas, take the pants down to the same position as if it were underwear. During this procedure the child may be whining or crying; promising not to do it again. Maintain eye contact, but do not reply verbally, continue to take the pants down. This will not only increase the ritual aspect of the baring, but will insure the child understands the parent is in complete control. When the spanking is over; with younger children, 2 to 5, the parent should pull the pants up, even if the child was allowed to do the baring as described below. This will give the child a sense of finality. An older child may require more time to compose him or herself. It's would be okay for the parent to say "When you're ready, pull up your pants and come on out". Then leave the room." "Some parents ask/order their children to take down their pants, allowing/forcing them to cooperate. Others prefer to do the act themselves. Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages. It also depends on the individual situation and the child. If children refuse to cooperate, it may help to let them put their hands on their head for the procedure - this will minimize the hassle. If children are penitent and cooperative, it is okay to allow them to do the baring itself." |
"Since the bottom is divided into two cheeks, there are three options for placing each spank - left cheek, right cheek, or both cheeks together. Spanks that cover both cheeks can be particularly effective, but to ensure a good distribution, it's best to use all three areas in a random pattern (e.g. l, r, b, r, b, b, l, l, r, b, b...)" |
This page contains a variety of links to soundfiles and fiction related to the prospanking views of the author, (who apparently doesn't worry about the "corrupting" influence of "absolute power" if it involves how he dominates his children, but who became very concerned as soon as the government took issue with the bruises on his daughter's behind.) Enjoy the links, but please, for your children's sakes, don't raise your kids his way... |
Exerpt from Little House In The Big Woods
By Laura Ingalls Wilder: Aunt Lotty had gone, and Laura and Mary were tired and cross. They were at the woodpile, gathering a pan of chips to kindle the fire in the morning. They always hated to pick up chips, but every day they had to do it. Tonight they hated it more than ever. Laura grabbed the biggest chip, and Mary said: "I don't care. Aunt Lotty likes my hair best, anyway. Golden hair is lots prettier than brown." Laura's throat swelled tight, and she could not speak. She knew golden hair was prettier than brown. She couldn't speak, so she reached out quickly and slapped Mary's face. Then she heard Pa say, "Come here, Laura" She went slowly, dragging her feet. Pa was sitting just inside the door. He had seen her slap Mary. "You remember," Pa said, "I told you girls you must never strike each other." Laura began, "But Mary said-" "That makes no difference," said Pa, "It is what I say that you must mind." Then he took down a strap from the wall, and he whipped Laura with the strap. Laura sat on a chair in the corner and sobbed. When she stopped sobbing she sulked. The only thing in the whole world to be glad about was that Mary had to fill the chip pan all by herself. At last, when it was getting dark, Pa said again, "Come here, Laura." His voice was kind, and when Laura came he took her on his knee and hugged her close. She sat in the crook of his arm, her head against his shoulders and his long brown whiskers partly covering her eyes, and everything was all right again. |
Exerpt from A
Washington Post story.
When he climbed the walnut staircase and turned to his left, Maria was waiting. The father told Maria to take her clothes off and prepare for her "strikes." There would be seven, two for each commandment she broke. The final strike would be spared because God says have mercy. "Get on your knees," he said, without raising his voice, "in a praying position." The little girl, who still wears pigtails, knelt beside her white canopy bed. "She had on her panties and training bra," her mother recalls. Her father lifted his belt and it came down on her seven times. She yelled and she covered her bottom to break the strikes, but her hands did no good to ease the pain. |
Speaking
of her childhood, 22 year old Ruth writes,
"My mother is a very unusual
woman. When my brother and I were younger, she was
very strict. My mother had an attitude that we
never questioned. She wouldn't tolerate any
misbehaving whatsoever from us. "When my mom said "No," I listened. Of course, every child has his moments when he pretends to rule the world and ignore Mom and Pops, but for the most part I obeyed my parents. My cousin Heather, who is only six months older than me lived in the same area when we were toddlers. When we would take our naps, our mothers would occasionally try to gain our cooperation with a piece of gum. They would put it on our pillows and say that we could eat it when we woke up. I always fell for this ruse and would go to sleep. Heather, on the other hand, would wait until they left the room and closed the door. She would immediately unwrap the gum and start chewing. "I went through a brief
period of rebellion, like many teenagers, and
resented my parents. I didn't enjoy reading my
Bible before Saturday morning cartoons and getting
up early for church every Sunday. I tried to find
ways to bypass their system, by finding the
shortest chapter in the shortest book in the Bible
for my required daily Bible reading. I resented
the fact that I didn't have more control over my
life. I was being forced to live as a Christian
and for a time, I felt like I hated it!
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Ruth, then and now.
Elsewhere
on the same website, Ruth's parents explain how they
believe spankings should be given:
"There is a practical reason for not using your hand to spank your children. By using a rod instead, you separate the discipline from the person of the giver. "The object of discipline is to change the child's attitude by giving them a foretaste of the potential terror and pain of eternal separation from God, which naturally result from rebellion and disobedience. My preference for utensils was to keep half a dozen wooden paint paddles (Free at the paint store) for our toddler sized children, for use on bare skin. If you are disciplining older children through clothing, you wil want to use a slender flexible rod several feet long, the traditional "switch." These are free and plentiful if you have trees close at hand. A switch should be no more than 1/4" thick so it will still sting. It must be flexible so it will not bruise or injure the child if it inadvertently comes into contact with the raised area of the spine, due to squirming or movement. "After the spanking, when a child has regained composure and stopped crying, it is important to reaffirm your love and affection and review the cause for discipline. Remind them that you discipline them because God requires it of you, not because you enjoy it. Some children may need a few minutes by themselves to regroup first. We insisted that our children cried softly and did not allow them to scream or make a scene when disciplined." Regarding when a child is too old for her parents to discipline her with spankings Ruth's parents write: "We used it until we no longer needed it. My wife thinks we didn't need to spank them after they were 8 years old, perhaps we might have threatened it once or twice when they [were in their] pre-teens. The object of discipline is to create a compliant attitude. It requires a measure of skill in application to develop a habit of habitual obedience in young children. We were diligent with our children when they were young and one result was that they responded well to our authority as they grew older. "If you haven't trained your children to habitual compliance then you may handicap yourself by putting the rod away too soon. Some teenagers may benefit from a good seat warming at times. The rod is appropriate whenever children display defiance, rebellion, or willful disobedience. We never made a conscious decision to stop using it, just found that a sharp reprimand worked as well with our children for sins of attitude as they grew older. We never told our kids they were too old for it either, we just didn't find it necessary :)" Ruth's parents write that she needed to be spanked more soundly as a child than her brother did: "My daughter had a much higher threshold of pain and she would laugh off a spanking that would bring her younger brother to tears immediately. We spanked our children until their attitude was changed from defiance to brokenness. A strong willed child may require a higher level of pain than you can safely produce using your hand which is one reason I don't recommend the hand except as a convenience for immediate use with very young toddlers. You will find as your children grow older that a suitable spanking may produce lasting discomfort to your hand, particularly in the case of your wife. A suitable utensil produces the desired effect without resulting in inadvertent "punishment" to the parent! "As a rule, the act of disciplining a child for defiance, rebellion, or disrespect should be done in private. With such hostility on the part of western governments and societies, it is prudent to never spank in public. You should discipline each child separately so they can receive your full attention without the distraction of a nearby sibling. The other can wait their turn in another room. "You need not be concerned for making the discipline "fair" in the sense that one child may receive more frequent or harder spankings... God does not treat each of us the same when he disciplines us. The stubborn and rebellious are disciplined with more severity. He orders our experience so we experience appropriate consequences for our actions. It doesn't hurt to remind children that your job as parents is not be fair but to administer God's judgment without partiality or favoritism. "Some children will respond instantly to discipline and sweeten their attitudes without delay. However, strong willed children... may require some time to compose and gather their thoughts before the process of repentance is complete. So if necessary, you may give them a few minutes to cry alone and let them return to be welcomed back into fellowship with a hug and reassurance of love when they have settled. Usually they will return sweet in spirit, but if the first spanking wasn't sufficient and the wrong attitude continues then a second one can be administered, or a third or however many are required. Once they perceive that you will not yield until they obey they will not make such efforts to resist, but inconsistency or laziness in discipline will result in more trouble than the job done properly at the first. " In closing, a strong willed child makes an exceptional servant when they have learned to submit their lives to God. You can look forward to wonderful things from her in the future, but only if you succeed in bringing her into present obedience. Your goal should be to help her to submit her strong will to the mighty will of God." On yet another page of the site, Ruth's parents write: "If [your daughter] needs a spanking one hundred times a day, then discipline her one hundred times. "As to pulling away from a spanking, I don't think your children would pull away if they knew that the spanking would start over, every time they pulled away! Children are much more practical in these matters than we give them credit for. They know how to act when it regards their own best interest if we are not fooled by their antics. But they will look to see the determination in your eyes and test your resolve first. If you let them run away from the spanking you are teaching them that they are rewarded to disobey and that would is not a good lesson to result from a spanking so don't let them run away! "We normally retired to the bedroom to apply discipline, leaning them over the bed after they were over 2 years old. When they were toddlers we spanked on the spot at the place of disobedience, except when out of the home. We would occasionally make a trip to the automobile from a public place but this was not frequently required as we made sure that it would be remembered well so they knew when we threatened to make such a trip that it was to be avoided! "As far as resisting, if
they did not cooperate, the first spanking was for
the transgression. The next would be for not
staying still for the spanking. And if they
screamed and made a fuss they could also be
spanked for the fuss as we required them to cry
softly. We normally gave them a period to
compose themselves before a special time of
hugging and reassurance to remind them of the
reasons for the discipline as well as assuring
them of our forgiveness and affection." |
"My dear wife... was brought up by very strict
Christian parents. She was never spanked in
anger and always knew exactly why she and her
siblings were being spanked. I have
tried to instill these same procedures into our
three children, a boy 9 years old, and two
twin girls, 4 years old. We always
agreed on discipline methods and started real
spanking when our children were less than 2 yrs
old. We still have to spank them fairly often
but somewhat less now. When we do it, is not
just a love tap to the bottom. Spankings
need to be painful to present a lesson. We
don't think one swat on the rear does any
good... When spanking is necessary, it should
be done over the knee, bare bottom and enough times
to make an impact - one or two for every year of the
child's age. ... "For example, last Sunday afternoon Laura just disappeared from the yard and came back after two hours. We learned that she stayed in the comparative safety of our neighborhood, with some friend, but she got a spanking all the same, for breaking the promise she had made not to go away without telling us and for not obeying the rules." |
"I, myself,
was spanked with the hand until I reached my teen
years. On my thirteenth birthday, my mother presented
me with a strangely shaped package. I opened it to
find a wooden Ping-Pong paddle. On it was painted: Becca's
Very Own Spanking Paddle. My mother
insisted it hang in my room until I moved out.
"What position should a child be spanked in? My personal preference is over the knee (OTK). It usually works best if you are sitting in an armless chair. The child is taken and bent over your thighs, so their bottom is facing you. I prefer higher chairs because the child's legs and arms can't reach the floor, streching their skin and tenderizing it for a spanking. "Personally, I think most children today need a good sound bare bottomed spanking for their misbehavior. I know my three girls often do. There are many problems to spanking through clothes. First of all, through denim jeans, a child will barely feel your hand. You will need to use a hairbrush, which I feel is too harsh. Also, the severity of the spanking depends on whatever the child happens to be wearing, which is not very good. Parent's can also see the severity of their spankings. However, some parents might be uncomfortable taking down a child's underwear. Spanking through the underwear is almost as effective as barebottomed. The thin material provides much less protection, and the child will be subject to the same amount of pain." |
"Haven, meet me in the
bathroom!"
A few minutes later, I found her there. "Now, Haven," I began, "why are you getting this correction?" Her head hanging, she mumbled, "Because I went ahead and ate the Popsicle even though Grandmother told me not to." "Why was that wrong?" I persisted. "Because Grandmother is my authority and I need to obey her." I continued. "Why do you think she told you not to eat the Popsicle?" Haven stared at the floor. "Because we're going to have dinner soon and it might ruin my appetite." "Haven," I told her, "I'm going to need to spank you because Proverbs 23:13-14 says, 'Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death.' There may come a day when Grandmother tells you not to eat something because she knows it could make you sick. You must be in the habit of obeying her. Do you understand?" "Yes, ma'am," she said quietly. I beckoned her toward me, where I was seated on the toilet lid. "Now, lean over my lap." She bent over, submitting to my instruction. After I spanked her--eight times for her age--I invited her to sit on my lap. Cradling her in my arms, I said, "Haven, I love you and forgive you, but you need to ask Jesus to forgive you for not obeying Him." |
This is Haven,
who,
in the opinion of HandPrince, is much too cute to
spank...
...and that goes double for
her younger sister, Clancy!
"When the time comes to apply the rod, take a deep
breath, relax, and pray, "Lord, make this a valuable
learning session. Cleanse my child of ill-temper and
rebellion. May I properly represent your cause in
this matter." No jerking around. No raised voice.
The child should be able to anticipate the coming
rod by your utterly calm and controlled spirit...
"Any spanking, to effectively reinforce instruction, must cause pain, but the most pain is on the surface of bare skin where the nerves are located. A surface sting will cause sufficient pain, with no injury or bruising. Select your instrument according to the child's size. For the under one year old, a little, ten- to twelve-inch long, willowy branch (striped of any knots that might break the skin) about one-eighth inch diameter is sufficient. Sometimes alternatives have to be sought. A one-foot ruler, or its equivalent in a paddle, is a sufficient alternative. For the larger child, a belt or larger tree branch is effective... "Some have asked, "But what if the child only screams louder, gets madder?"... Give him more of the same. On the bare legs or bottom, switch him eight or ten licks; then, while waiting for the pain to subside, speak calm words of rebuke. If the crying turns to a true, wounded, submissive whimper, you have conquered; he has submitted his will. If the crying is still defiant, protesting and other than a response to pain, spank him again." |
"Never spank a child when angry. Make sure the child knows and understands what they did that was wrong and why they are being corrected. Do not surprise the child. Make it a planned event and something you do as a parent that is intentional and well thought out. Be calm and in control of yourself and emotions. Never spank a child anywhere but on the glutemus maximus muscles (buttocks, rear end). Use a paddle of smooth wood that is not too thick and has a handle designed to fit your hand so it won't slip. Demand and expect instant obedience. Spank the child on the bare bottom if possible. There is usually enough power in the snap of an adults wrist to administer a spank that will not be forgotten soon. You do not have to take a full swing like with a tennis racket. Make sure their hands are out of the way. Have them bend over your knee or against a table or chair. Let the number of spanks be done one at a time and deliberately, not fast and furious. Let them "soak in" one at a time. The object is to SAFELY inflict enough pain so the child will decide they will not commit the crime again." |
"It should
be carried out in private to focus the attention of
the child on the parent and to eliminate any other
influences (not to mention the threat of hotline
calls if you discipline in public). The reason for
the spanking must be clarified so that the child
understands exactly why he is about to experience
pain..."
"For the spanking itself the child must be put in a good physical posture for the act. Smaller children can be laid across the knees or lap. Older children could be told to lay over a chair or the edge of the bed. Part of the child's duty in receiving the discipline is to cooperate with the process and to assume the necessary position without complaint. "Speaking of complaint, the child must have an attitude of submission during the process. He should not be allowed to protest or resist your attempt to put him over you lap. He must have a submissive attitude in accepting the need for discipline and receive it willingly. His carrying on and fighting you would become another offense that requires another spanking..." "A spanking is supposed to hurt! Mere tapping with the rod, or spanking through layers of clothing and diapers, will not be effective. Your aim should be to spank until you elicit a cry of repentance from the child. Some children will begin crying before the rod even makes contact with their back sides, but it is not mere tears that you are after. Other children will respond to the blows with the rod by crying out in protest or anger, but this is definitely not what you are after. This response must be distinguished from a cry that signals the child is yielding his will and succumbing to the pain. Perhaps this sounds cruel, but what do you think is the point of spanking?! If it is not a token gesture, a symbolic event, then we must press on with the infliction of real pain, despite our sensibilities." |
James Lyons of the Grace
Baptist Church of Columbus, Georgia, explains how he
disciplined his two daughters when they were growing
up:
"Applying the board of education to the seat of learning. Since I am right-handed, I would have the child sitting on my right knee. At this point, I would lay the child forward over my left knee so that his or her legs were trapped between my legs, with my left hand I could hold down the child's upper body, and this would leave the child s natural padding as a raised target for my right palm. The child s ability to squirm was very limited by this arrangement, and I could deal with business swiftly and without the nuisance of chasing a Jack-in-the-Box or Jill-in-the-Box... "Sometimes when a child is about to be spanked, he or she will start to cry loudly or yell before the first stroke has even fallen... If I bent a child over and she started screaming, I would haul her back up, glare into her eyes and say real low, "Just what do you think you are doing? You stop that right now, you hear? Do you need two spankings? All right, then, you be quiet!" Then I would bend her back down and continue. We wanted our children to learn to accept correction with dignity... "[T]he most important thing to focus on during the chastening itself is the surrendering of the child s will. No spanking is truly finished, whatever tool is employed, until the will of the child gives in. Sometimes fair minded parents will say things like, "Now for this kind of an offense, you will get three licks with the paddle, and for that kind of an offense you will get five " and so on. Now it may be that in a school setting where a large number of diverse individuals are being managed, some sort of objective formula like this would be necessary. But I do not believe that this is the ideal way of administering discipline to one s own children. Your purpose should be for the child s will to submit, and the number of licks it takes to accomplish that is ultimately up to the child... "I remember once when our strongest willed daughter was undergoing the disciplinary exercise. After giving her what I had supposed was an adequate dose, I hoisted her up ready to launch into the comforting half of the ordeal. But before I could begin, she started complaining about her spanking in a way that betrayed a disturbing lack of repentance. I immediately bent her right back down and addressed her complaint in the appropriate manner! "When you let the child up from the spanking, turn her around and set her on your other knee. There is a subliminal symbolism in this, like moving a tassel. It says that a watershed has been crossed, the child has come through the lesson, and now she is facing a new direction, she is going the other way. It's almost like baptism the old child she used to be before bending down under the baptism of fire is buried and gone, and a new child, a good and obedient child has been resurrected in her place. This serves to divorce the child from that naughty person she felt like a moment ago.
"Hug her close to you for a moment and let her
cry, and just comfort her with your warmth as you
kiss her hair and pat or rub her back and rock her
back and forth until she subsides a bit. Hold some
toilet paper to her nose, or if the child is
older, just give it to her, and let her blow. Then
say |
IN DEFENSE OF BIBLICAL CHASTISEMENT (down)
"It would be better to administer more licks that
are less forceful than to administer few licks that
hurt severely. It is much more effective to
administer chastisement or punishment in a slow
thoughtful fashion. Our goal is to cause the child
to voluntarily surrender his will. We want to
impress upon him the severity of his disobedience.
It takes time and thoughtfulness for the child to
come to repentance. I have told a child I was going
to give him 10 licks. I count out loud as I go.
After about three licks, leaving him in his
position, I would stop and remind him what this is
all about. I would continue slowly, still counting,
stop again and tell him that I know it hurts and I
wish I didn't have to do it but that it is for his
own good. Then I would continue slowly. Pretending
to forget the count, I would again stop at about
eight and ask him the number. Have him subtract
eight from ten, (a little homeschooling) and
continue with the final two licks. Then I would have
him stand in front of me and ask him why he got the
spanking.
"Children fight back because they think they have a chance of forestalling the spanking. First make sure the child never gains anything by fleeing. Second, cause the child to understand that he is further hurting himself by resisting. Slow down, stay calm. If you are in a frenzy, the child will respond in kind. If a child flees, don't chase him. Wait and allow time for the tension to go out of the air. Slowly pursue him, explaining that he cannot win. If it takes a long time, that's fine. Go to his hiding place and laugh at his frail attempts. Explain that if it takes fourteen days to bring him to justice, he will be brought to justice. Patience. Calm. Dignity. Wait until he calms down in the back of the closet, or under the bed, and as you sit outside, or just beyond him, quietly tell him that you are coming to give him his ten licks, but that since he has fled, he is now going to get one extra lick. Wait several minutes for him to calm down and listen with reason, and ask him how much ten plus one is. "That's right, eleven. Would you rather have 10 licks or 11?" He answers "10." Then tell him that it is too late to get just 10, but if he doesn't come out immediately you will raise it to 12. He must have calmed down for him to make a rational choice. If not, then wait a little longer. Keep this up until you raise the stakes to about twenty licks, explaining to him that when you get to 20 licks you are coming after him. If he is locked in his room, explain that you will unlock the door. There is no escape. Be calm, non-threatening in tone. Just quiet dignity. Think of yourself as a high-ranking government official in charge of negotiations. Know that in the end you will win." |
"Many people gasp when they hear 'Yes, we spank our
children... [S]ometimes there's just no
substitute for a bare butt, over the knee, hand (or
brush) spanking. Now, you can turn
your noses up at what we use for discipline all you
want. But we know what works, and our methods keep
the best peace in this household. It's systematic,
loving, flexable, and efficient.
"Our method of spanking is simple. We have a set pattern we follow most times. Usually we send them to their room to wait. For our children, waiting is effective, because it gives them time to realize that they made a no no. Then they are called to the room where they are to be punished, and lectured. We ask them what they did wrong, and ask why they did it. At this time, there is no way they are getting out of it, but we let them plead their case anyway (we never lead them to believe they can get out of it, only allow them the opportunity to possibly reduce their sentance by letting them explain). We also help them realize that life brings consequences, whether you steal from a store, fail to pay a traffic ticket, or skip paying your taxes. Then it's o.t.k., and on with the punishment. Afterwards, they are sent to their room for a while (usually an hour) and then we come back and comfort them with hugs and words of love, reassuring them we only punish them because we wish to teach them right from wrong, and to encourage them to not partake in the punishable behavior again." |
Daughters - Ellen and
Michelle.
DOMESTIC DISCIPLINE: THE BOOK (down)
"Young children need not be spanked very hard to
'get their attention' and help them see the error of
their ways. A parent or guardian can use their open
hand to spank kids on their bare buttocks and
produce "stinging pain" without the need to spank
them in an intense manner. If you fail to administer
these very basic entry-level spankings while your
children are young, you will be sorry when you see
your beautiful toddler becomes a total brat within a
few short years.
"As children become older you may find it necessary to use an implement like a belt, hair brush or paddle to do an effective job of spanking them. I recommend younger children (preteens) be spanked "bare butt" as a safety factor so you can monitor any marks you may create during the spanking process. Some kids can endure a lot of pain and may require a more intense spanking than others. This is why I WON'T tell you how long, or how hard, to spank them. If you spank kids fully clothed, you will most likely spank them too hard and risk injuring them. They may not even feel any pain due to the thick clothing and mock your attempt to discipline them... "An older child or teenager can be spanked "bare butt" without exposing private parts of the body, like the genital area. Offenders in this age group should be spanked with some type of implement, as the human hand is not a practical instrument to use on the backside of an adult. If you spank hard enough to do the job you may well actually do physical damage to your hand. If you use an implement carefully you can achieve the desired results without becoming abusive in any manner. "One of the primary reasons parents and guardians should be the primary people to administer discipline is they KNOW their children. They can easily tell when enough is enough, and also when to increase the intensity and the duration of a spanking session. Spanking should be conducted in a prompt and business like manner, without a lot of discussion and ceremony. The clothing should be adjusted enough to expose the buttocks area and the spanking should begin immediately. Brisk applications of pain will quickly drive away any erotic overtones that may be encouraged if discipline becomes a long and drawn out game. A firm spanking will deter future offenses if conducted properly." |
OUR GOD IS AN INFINITE GOD (down)
"In His wonderful imagination, He has placed within
the very spanking itself a potential of an exciting,
holy bond of love between the one being so punished,
and the one to whom He has delegated His authority.
Please note that I said POTENTIAL. This glorious
encounter with His love does not happen
automatically. The one being chastised and the
person in authority must cooperate with the abundant
graces which our Heavenly Father is offering....
"If the repentant child will accept, welcome, and embrace a spanking from the parent, constructive ripples will emanate. The goodness in the heart of this repentant child will be a channel for God's love to flow, reaching people that might not otherwise be reached... "Once the child has accepted the spanking, the parent must pour out her love and tenderness upon him, before, during (even the spanking is highly painful), and after the spanking. Even with an ideal heart of contrition, the child may be fearing, "How can I possibly endure this pain?" The parent must let the child know that she will tenderly help him (holding his hand? embracing his back with the free hand?) through this ordeal. The parent must also communicate gratitude for the child's now unselfish repentance, as well as tender love regarding the pain in which he is engulfed. Thus, the child loses himself in penitentially embracing the spanking, and the parent envelops the child in indescribable tenderness." |
"I came on the scene not long after the Depression
and World War II. As a boy, I was well acquainted
with, as my mother called it, the "rod of
correction." From her perspective, there was nothing
more fitting for misbehavior than the stern
application of the leather on a sassy boy bottom. If
nothing else, I can attest, the experience grabs
your attention -- while altering the complection of
your posterior!"
"[W]e have to make the price of disobedience so high the child will be left thinking about it for a long time. Hebrews 12:11, "No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful." Firmly and dramatically: but not abusively. SPANK them, but never overdo it or you may harm the gluteal muscle, underneath. We are absolutely opposed to child abuse. In fact, these days even the laws are "opposed" to child abuse, (It has taken a while). Biblical discipline is training in righteousness, not abuse. Always has been. "On small children don't overdo it. So how about a flyswatter on the skin? The epidermis quickly heals, but the memory (and the lesson) remains forever." |
Let
it be clearly understood that spanking is not the
"least desired" of the various methods of
punishment, but the BEST method, one which is
God-given. Spanking should NEVER be considered a
"last resort" when all has failed....
But spanking should NEVER be done in anger! It should ALWAYS be done in love. The child psychologists have been unable to reconcile themselves to the conception that any parent is capable of punishing his child in love! Spanking is NOT an extreme as a "last resort' but is the best method of positive teaching, the God-given, Divinely inspired method, the way that really works!... Generally it is going to be better to spank with your own hand. That way, you can feel it, too, and you will be even surer you are not overdoing it. Many parents utilize a small switch, which will sharply sting, but never break the skin or bruise. As the author already quoted said, "Spanking or nettling small legs with appropriately small switches are only two of the methods that may be used."... An extremely effective implement is one of the lighter ping pong paddles, applied to the bare buttocks. (This I know from personal experience!) With children from two to six or eight years, many parents use the father's belt. However, caution should be used in applying a belt. Certainly the end with the buckle, or any belt that has metal affixed to the portion to be used should NEVER be applied to a child... The old-fashioned idea of the "hair brush" is more mythical than factual, and with today's modern plastic hair brushes and the like, should never be used. The place to punish a child is squarely on the buttocks! As has already been covered, very high on the sides of the thighs, or with a small switch, on the backs of the legs, would be equally as appropriate. HOWEVER, this must be wisely decided depending upon the severity of the punishment, and the implement used! Be extremely careful if punishing with a belt that only the shortest portion of the belt is used, and that is not allowed to wrap around the child's body, or in any way run the risk of striking so as to injure or cause severe pain. Use common sense - punish your child in LOVE - calmly - not in the heat of emotion and you need not fear "overpunishment."... To be effective, spanking should always be prompt! Frequently, because of "embarrassment" in the presence of friends, being in a public place, driving in a car, or other difficulty which seems to make the immediate application of punishment somewhat problematic, parents will defer punishment until a later time. This should never be done! ... Parents who say "Am I going to have to give you a spanking?" are parents who ALWAYS speak more than once. Have you been using these phrases? Do you speak more than ONCE to your children? Speak to your child once! Then, if disobedience follows, IMMEDIATELY apply the proper punishment! It is only in this way that punishment can be truly effective! It is truly amazing the degree to which a child's hearing may be sharpened by only speaking ONCE, firmly, and sharply! Thousands of parents seem to be in blissful ignorance of the fact their children could be trained to literally "jump at the snap of their fingers" if they cared to use the diligence to gain this end. You may have heard of the children who were startled into humble quietude by the mere "clearing of the throat" of their father as a warning. You may have heard of other children who could have been silenced with a mere look.... If you want your child for something, simply say, "Johnnie, come here!" if the child ignores you, wait just a moment or two, then arise from your chair, calmly bare the child's bottom and apply about five or six good sharp swats! If Johnnie pretends he "didn't hear you!" and tearfully tells you he didn't realize you were calling him - you may be positively assured that if you explain the reason why he is being spanked, he WILL hear you the next time!... You, as a parent, should begin to speak to your child only once! Say, "Eat your dinner." And then, if, after a few moments, the child is still toying with his food, showing disinterest, or daydreaming - calmly take him down from the dinner table, into another room, lower his pants and give him a good effective spanking! Allow him to remain in his room until the crying has completely subsided, and until he is settled down again, and then firmly place him on his chair and say, "Eat your dinner!" this time, you may be fully persuaded, the chances are far more likely that he is going to finish his dinner... Spanking should be, if properly utilized, the most positive method of child rearing there is. With the proper, kind and discerning TEACHING of the RIGHT action, both before and after the spanking, this gives a positive and negative side to the spanking procedure which will be lastingly beneficial.... Most of the time, your child is going to disobey "accidentally." He will disobey "accidentally." He will disobey through carelessness, thoughtlessness, forgetfulness, or simply through a lack of understanding what is expected of him. However - don't be deceived! There are many occasions when a child will DELIBERATELY disobey - and needs to be spanked accordingly! Let your child know you believe in his underlying good intent! Frequently, the young boy and girl will say, quite tearfully, "I didn't mean to!" you should answer, "Of course you didn't MEAN to!" Explain to the child how you "understood" that they did it merely through carelessness or forgetfulness. But say "had I thought you would have done such a deed on purpose I would have punished you much more severely! I know and understand that you wouldn't have done this deliberately - TRYING to be disobedient - but because I love you, I must impress upon you that you should never do this through forgetfulness or careless again!" Then, when the tears have subsided after a spanking, LOVE your children - take them up and show them some affectionn! NEVER allow the child to run from the one parent who has done the punishing to the other for the loving and the affection - but ALWAYS make sure the child is loved, first of all by the parent who has done the punishing!
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SPANKING YOUNG CHILDREN (down)
"I started spanking my kids around the age of two. I do not think this was too early. I spanked like my mother did. She would use her hand when we were under five or so. She always spanked bare. Three swats with the open hand delivered very quickly and in the same place. She said years later that she did it this way to hurt alot without a lot of spanks." |
"My children have been grown now for some time. I would like to say that [they] are very successful professionals now. I only spanked for blatant disobedience and stopped by the time they were twelve. I found that spanking my daughters was quite... well exciting. I remember spanking them before bed and after their baths. Although it has been fifteen years I look back fondly to having an eight year old girl over my knee. To bed they usually wore a tee shirt and panties. I only spanked a few times bare." |
"I believe that traditional, old fashioned loving spankings have their place in proper childrearing, but only if done with wisdom and moderation for the child's own good. Whenever my daughter became disobedient or defiant as a child, she earned herself a brief series of sharp, stinging slaps on her bare buttocks. This only lasted a few seconds, and never left a bruise, only a pink bottom and abundant tears. Afterwards she received comfort and reassurance of my love. I found this method of discipline very effective with my child. In our home, proper instruction, a wholesome Christian atmosphere, and a wholesome fear of a spanking, kept her well behaved most of the time." |
"I have two daughters, both of whom are being raised in a Christian home with parents who believe in providing guidance and discipline as needed. That can mean anything from a gentle verbal reminder to a traditional spanking... I use a wooden hairbrush when special circumstances warrant it, but I usually use my hand. I spank bare bottom; my husband spanks over panties... Our daughters are 8 and 11. I recently had to spank the younger girl because she got into a shoving match at school. I took her over my knee and spanked her bare bottom until it was bright pink. |
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"I am a strong believer in establishing in a child a sense of fear and respect of her parents, as well as love. In my daughter's case, she has learned that I mean business when I tell her not to do something and she disobeys, and with time, she has become overall a wonderful well-behaved, polite child (so far). I feared my own father as I grew up, and he rarely spanked me, but I knew when he did, I had really transgressed. I cannot thank him enough now for instilling in me a sense of fear and respect of him as my parent. Many parents don't understand this, but as parents, it is our duty to command the obedience of our children. It can be done in a very loving manner, not despite an occasional spanking, but because we choose to discipline with a spanking when necessary. When I pick up my daughter at school, and she runs to my arms with a huge smile, it is impossible for me to believe I am somehow warping her mind or inflicting psychological conditioning that it is OK to hit people, except when it is done very gently and carefully, and only when necessary, in the first few years of life." "When my girl was little, the shoe stores gave out balloons on plasticised rope-sticks. Those were great as a rod. Very flexible, not too thick, and they didn't get brittle with age. My second choice was an appropriately sized branch from a tree. Do file off the rough places, though....A rod will never leave any lasting injuries, no matter how hard you hit with it (as long as you only hit on the fleshy part of the buttocks.) " ' "If your head thinks up mischief, your bottom's going to pay for it." "A hard head makes a soft behind." I will say, Mom's hairbrush actually hurt worse than Dad's belt.' "Too often, I see parents who refuse to spank resort instead to bribing, begging, screaming, empty threats, or ineffectively rendered 'time-outs.' None of that happens in our house. A line is crossed, a controlled spanking is rendered, there are hugs all around and we move on. In fact this consistency means my kids get the message fast - and spankings quickly become relatively infrequent for each child." "I have spanked both my children when it is warranted and it doesn't matter the time or place. They know they are never safe from punishment and they know it. In a restaurant a few years back, I grabbed my misbehaving child and took him to the car for an old-fashioned spanking. On other occasions, I have told the waitstaff to make the order "to go" and left the restaurant. I have zero tolerance for misbehavior in my children in public places. Two summers ago, I was taking my kids for a day at the beach (60 miles away), we were just getting there when they started fighting and misbehaving in the car. I stopped the car, spanked the both of them and drove 60 miles home where they spent the rest of the day sorting laundry, mowing the grass, cleaning the kitchen, etc." "Mine, too, got spanked. I firmly believe that humans are animals. If you don't train them, you have wild animals. I didn't publicly humiliate them, if misbehaving in public, I took them to the restroom to paddle them." "I nearly always carry a wooden spoon in my purse. If my daughter acts up ... I quietly show her my 'little friend.' Just the sight of it makes her stop what she is doing and behave herself. In the beginning she thought I wouldn't use it in public. Wrong. We'd either go to a dressing room or a bathroom and I'd have her get reacquainted with my 'little friend.' " "The worst whipping I ever got as a kid was from the man across the street (I accidently shot him in the nose with a rubber tipped dart gun when he had told me several times not to point it at anything I did not intend to shoot. He was a prolific gun collector and was trying to teach me gun safety). I went home and told my mom expecting her to give him hell. She took me by the hand, took me back over there and whoopped me in front of him." "My daughter at 11 years of age saw the neighbor boy successfully threaten his mother with Children's Protective Services if she spanked him, so she decided to try the same thing with her mother. My wife told her, 'Go ahead. You can call right after I beat your ass. Hope you like your new home.' She never threatened again." "My great-grandmother was practically a saint, and she beat my @ss on more than one occasion with a mulberry switch I had to cut myself. And God forbid I came back with one too small. I can honestly say that I deserved every one of them. My father used the belt, and my elementary school principal, middle school principal, and high school principal all used a wooden paddle the size of a cricket bat." "My mom spanked me with a hairbrush, when I was 7 years old. Should I sue her?" "My mom used to break wooden spoons over my butt. When she got tired of wasting those, the hairbrush became the tool of choice. (and no-there was nothing wrong with it- I deserved it!)" "There are parents who would snatch the child up... take a belt, open hand, paddle, or whatever, and "spank" the child until the child cannot draw a breath -- having expelled it all in a scream of pain and shock -- and keep whipping or "spanking" long after that. The child cannot draw a normal breath for many minutes without involuntary sobbing spasms." "Define in advance unacceptble behavior(Ok you can't think of everything). When the line is crossed tell the perp what he has done, and that you will see him in his room in a few hours to administer the punishment. The waiting is the worst part... At the appointed time enter the perp's room, and give a long long lecture about why he shouldn't do that. Then say the magic words "this hurts me more than you" (kids hate that) Then spank with a belt or some pliable thing, not your hand(can injure). Remember, it's not the pain, but the humiliation and stewing that gets em." "I was whipped with a belt by my Dad when I was growing up in the 50s and 60s. In retrospect most of the whippings were justified and helped control my exuberance. There is such a thing as child abuse but corporal punishment isn't abuse in my opinion. We also got whacked with a paddle at school when we couldn't abide by the rules. I never viewed that as abuse either." "When you're wearing a pair of blue jeans, a spanking with an open hand is not going to send much of a message (especially if it is done by a woman that is petite.) A belt will cause a sting through pants, but it won't do any damange." " A switch cut from a birch could obviate the later use of a big metal one on the wall." "When [my daughter] needs it, she gets a spanking, it gets her attention real quick and she learns that she can't continue to do what she was doing wrong... As a parent, I hate doing this - no one wants to cause their child pain. But a little sore bottom now can save the child and their family a lot of pain in the future. " "God designed children with a soft padded area full of nerve endings but no easily damaged organs. God designed adults with harder flattened areas full of nerve endings suitable for detecting exactly how much pressure is being applied to them. The application of the adult area on the child area is the ideal form of child discipline." "All children are born with their brains in their behinds and you must warm that area to get their brains to rise with the heat up into their heads." "I spanked my children rarely but it was enough to let them know I meant business and it got to the point where all they needed was the "evil mom-eye" look to straighten them out." "Whatever term is used for striking a child forcefully and repeatedly with a paddle or switch, it's hardly an extraordinary practice, and certainly not beyond what the law allows." "Spanking was useful with my two daughters (now 16 and 20) only to get their attention when they lost control. My keys were, 1) use spanking sparingly or it loses its meaning, 2) do not spank hard, 3) never spank when you are mad, and 4) make them explain why they got spanked after they calm down." "Pain has a very purgative value on bad behavior and a bad attitude in a small child. I had to spank my daughter on a regular basis between the ages of two and five--she was an unbelievably stubborn, contrary little girl!! After age five, I only needed to threaten her occasionally with a spanking (holding the paddle up in the air), and from then on, the possibility of a spanking was enough to cause her to accept my authority. I don't believe in using belts, etc. Either use just a small paddle (for mom's--remember, the spanking needs to hurt, and a toddler is usually wearing thick diapers or training pants--LOL) or just the hand for dads(who don't need a paddle to make it hurt--LOL) Having said all that, there are some children who are so sensitive that just glaring at them instantly humbles them into contrition and obedience. Those types of kids don't need to be spanked. My daughter was the other kind of kid--LOL." "On four occasions I had to spank them (my daughter once, my son three times). They had to go outside and cut me a peach switch and I can assure you they were shaking like leaves in the process. One lick and it was over - I never saw the offensive behavior again." "You have to make it hurt enough that it is unpleasant. If you use something that will sting the skin (NOT a blunt object, like a hand) you can use less force and not injure. Things like switches and belts, when used appropriately, were actually humane adoptions by our forebears, instead of the tools of torture they have been made out to be by propogandists. You might try a little, light wooden ruler on the thigh, because a light smack with it would sting the skin enough just to say "Pay attention." " "We used a definate amount of swats, usually 3-5, with a wooden spoon. The swats were just enough to get their attention, bring some tears and sniffling and the spoon became the symbol of the pain instead of the parent's hand." "Spanking does not work with my 6 year old. It never really worked at all. She is a stubborn little cuss who would look right at you after a spanking and laugh in your face, no matter how much the spanking hurt." "Spanking should sting, but should not be so very painful that it's cruel. I don't spank through clothes. All that does is force you to spank harder, and you'll probably re-align the child's spine before he feels a good sting." " I have found and observed a few well timed and placed whacks with a firm hand to be very instructive. I believe for younger kids say younger than 6 or so depending on sex and size--hand whacks are usually sufficient. For say 6-12 or thereabouts depending on size and maturity--a simple flat board maybe twice as wide as paint stirring board seems quite fitting." "To sum up, the spanking ritual in my home went something like this: An offense is committed which requires a spanking. A knowing "look" is exchanged. I ask my daughter what is going to happen. She tells me she is going to get a spanking. Let's say I am really angry. I send her to her room to wait for me to cool down. After I cool down I call her out of her room. I would start counting while I waited for HER to assume the position. Using some implement (wooden spoon, paddle, switch), never my hand, I would administer the number of swats to her butt equal to the count required. Afterwards, I would have her explain to me why she was spanked. If there was evidence that she didn't understand something at that point, I made sure it got cleared up. Then I would hug her, tell her how much I loved her and how much God loved her." "My mom gave us what she called "The Spankin' Spoon." It was the metal slotted spoon with holes in it one would normally use to dish out soup, not spankings. It did leave some interesting patterns on a bare butt. Kind of like crop circles, only in bright pink." "Personally, I never spanked with my bare hands, because I love them with my hands. Instead I used one of those thin paddles that comes with the ball attached by the thin elastic band. I removed the elastic band and ball, and it became a small rear-end sized paddle." "1. Never spank
with your bare hand... you may accidentally hurt
yourself. |
This site is run by a
man who believes in spanking so ferverently that he
will send a paddle free of charge to anyone who asks
for one. (His wife thinks he's off his
rocker). Check out the Comments board for the
most entertaining part of the site.
"I'm
a 35 year old father who will spank his daughters
when needed in public or at home, and always pants
and panties down. they need to know that as a man
and as their father i am in charge. it makes girls
feel secure to know a man is in charge. i dont
however use paddles or any implement other than my
hands, you really dont need to especially not with
daughters." "Imagine your reaction if an
authority figure, having discovered some misdeed
of yours, pinned you across his lap and began
slapping your buttocks. Painfulness aside, most
people would consider this a rude, inexcusable
assault on their modesty, no matter what they had
done to "deserve" it. Many people might assume
that children, especially very young children, are
too ignorant or naive to feel such indignity, or
perhaps too impressed by the physical pain of
spanking to care about much else. The truth is,
however, that spanking can seriously injure a
child's sense of modesty." "I am a pastor and I have
always advocated loving discipline in the home. I
did not spank my adopted daughter, despite her bad
behavior because I was afraid she would associate
it with abuse. In the fall, though, she became too
much to handle. We prayed, consulted others, and
considered sending her to a Christian boarding
home. That is when I came across your site. I
decided to put your method in action. Since then,
she has, pretty much willingly, submitted to
discipline three or four times. She likes the fact
that the punishment is over and all is forgiven at
the end, and we always end the session with
prayer." "I need advice on what i
should do with my 9 year old daughter Jennifer.
When Jen was little her mother or I used to spank
her on her bare bottom with our hand we never used
any sort of implement. After some time the
spanking stopped and she never really got into any
trouble. However, these days she is constantly
talking back to us and is pretty much ignoring
everything we say. I am not sure what to do..Do I
spank her or is she too old? If i should spank her
should it be bare bottom? Should i use an
implement? Please give me some advice oon how i
should carry out her punishment. Thank you."
"My ocassionally willful daughter has already recieved exactly three spankings after other behaviorial modification methods did not work. I'm told by my father-in-law that she takes after her mother, and that similar methods yielded the astonishingly well behaved young woman that I am married to today. My daughter is still too young to get the 'time out' but the verbal warning usually works very well, with the threat of either a loss of something special, such as a future treat, or the threat of a spanking. ... In all the time I was growing up, I received exactly seven spankings that I can remember. After each, I never repeated the behavior that earned the spanking. Never. One of the spankings was from a Nun in the Catholic grade school, and when I went home to complain to my mom and dad about it, I received another, because my parents believed, and rightly so, that I deserved it." |
"Yet some may feel that even a
spanking is cruel. After all, I have admitted that
spankings are painful. Yes, spankings are painful;
they must be. If spanking is to be effective, it must
be painful enough for the child to want to avoid it in
the future. Often the child will cry when spanked.
Parents don't like to hurt their children, so why
should they spank. As we have seen, it is sometimes
necessary to use punishment. And all punishments are
painful. Having to pay a ticket for speeding is
painful; staying after school is painful, not getting
to go to a party because of misbehavior is painful.
Punishments have to be painful if they are to be work.
So we should not stop spanking because it is painful.
On that grounds, we would never use any punishment.
Moreover, a parent must sometimes do something
unpleasant for the child's own good."
"If you are away from home when your child acts up, avoid the "wait till we get home" approach. Take the child to your car or to a private bathroom. Spanking should be delayed only when there is no option to spank in private where you are. Privacy, however, is more important than timeliness. Your child should not be embarrassed by having others see her spanked. Therefore, never spank in public. When you decide a child needs to be spanked, take her to her room, your room, or a bathroom. Where is not important as long as you are guaranteed privacy. And never spank one of your children in front of another, for there is no need for the embarrassment this might cause... "I recommend spanking with your hand; avoid using implements. If you feel, however, that using your hand would not be effective, then use a paddle, an instrument especially designed for spanking... Now if you have ever given your child a few swats on her fully clothed bottom, you soon realized that your hand was receiving most of the punishment. Some parents solve this problem by having their child remove all clothing below the waist. However, I strongly recommend against this since it is liable to be embarrassing for your child, especially an older one. Embarrassment should never be the goal of a parent. My suggestion, therefore, is to have your child remove her pants and spank on her underpants. By allowing your child to keep her underpants on, you will spare your hand but allow her to protect her modesty... "The Bottom Line: Spank your child as soon after her misbehavior as possible. But always spank in private. Spank with your hand on underpants. Most importantly, be sure that your child understands the reason for the spanking and how she is expected to act in the future." "The age at which a child is "too old" for a spanking can not be stated definitely; it depends on the child. However, my experience is that most parents stop too soon rather than too late. It is easy to be fooled by kids today. Their dress, attitudes, and knowledge of the world can make them seem very mature, and so we tend to think they are grown up before they actually are. However, children continue to develop their sense of right and wrong through middle school and even into high school. Therefore, older children need rules and structure as much, and sometimes more than, younger ones. We do our children no favors by ignoring this fact and treating them as "adults." Curiously, most children are aware of their need for rules even when their parents are not. I have had more than a few kids tell me that their parents are not strict enough: something many parents would be shocked to hear a child say. But living in a world without rules and guidance is scary. Children need and want our direction. "If older children need rules, then there must be consequences for breaking those rules; otherwise, the rules are meaningless. But what should the consequences be? For many older children, I think it should be spanking. Remember that spanking has the advantages of intensity and duration when compared to other punishments, and intensity and duration are just as important when dealing with older children as younger ones. Therefore, spanking should continue to be used with preteens and young teens both as a first resort for lying and disobedience and as a last resort when other forms of discipline fail." |
"It worked well for us to use a thin wooden
spoon. We felt it to be safer than using our hand,
though there were times we used our hand. With the
hand there can be too much momentum. We would pull the
pants down in the back and spank one, two, or three
times on the bare bottom. The thin wooden spoon gives
a sting without a large momentum impact. It was our
view that the actual magnitude of the spanking was not
so important. That is, we could afford to have the
spanking be too mild rather than too severe, because
it was the act of spanking that was the important
thing, not the nature of the spanking itself.
"The moment there was an act of disobedience, disrespect, or dishonesty, we would tell the child they were going to get a spanking and why. We would often tell them to go get the spanking spoon and go upstairs to their room. Once in their room we would explain again why, give the spanking, and then evaluate if there was an attitude of surrender and humility or an attitude of defiance and rebellion. While evaluating the child's attitude, we would hug our child and love our child and tell them we love them and tell them that Jesus loves them. If there was an attitude of rebellion, such as an arching of the back, or pulling away, etc., we would tell them they were going to get another spanking if they didn't relent and surrender with a humble attitude. We would then administer another spanking in the same way as the first. Each time the child would be given an opportunity to express remorse and surrender. If necessary, this process would go on through numerous cycles, lasting forty minutes or more. |
[To children] "First, I want you to stop and
read these Scriptures: Proverbs 13:24; 19:18; 22:15;
23:13,14. You see, God has commanded your parents to
paddle you often. It seems that you learn best when it
smarts. A child who does not fear his parents will
never learn to fear God. They are in charge of your
dress and appearance as long as you reside in their
home as a dependent. They are to see that the boys
have a proper haircut (I Cor. 11:14) and that the
girls are dressed in modest apparel (I Tim. 2:9). You
are a testimony to the godliness of that home. As long
as you eat food at their table and sleep in their bed,
you must do as they say."
"Early the child should be made to conform to the sleep requirements of Mom and Dad. When a child cries at night he is either hungry, dirty, stuck with a pin or sick. In every case there should be some relief available. If none of the foregoing is true, I would suggest a spanking..." "If you have obeyed the Lord in paddling them when they were small, the need for such discipline should decrease as they get older. Should the occasion call for a spanking, I would give it in spite of the fact that they are too big." "There is a crying need today in Christian homes for the father to apply the "board of education" to the "seat of learning." Eli lost his sons because he refused to discipline (I Sam. 3:13). The father should insist on obedience and respect for Mom and Dad. None of his children should ever "mouth off" to Mom and Dad. A good solid spanking on the thick part of the anatomy in the back is best. Hitting children around the face and head may cause permanent injury and could come under the heading of "child abuse." His boys should have their hair cut short, his girls should have knee-length skirts (or longer). He should make them attend all the services [of the Church] along with the parents. While they eat at his table and sleep in his beds, he should make them do what the Lord wants them to do." "When the father is not home, [the mother] will spank the children and teach them to fear the consequences of disobedience. She may save the hard cases for when Dad comes home especially if the spanking should be real hard. Children who do not learn to fear Mom and Dad will never fear God." "Teach [your child] to sit by you in church. They should be brought into the pew and trained to sit quietly through the services. You may have to take them out once or twice to paddle them, but it will pay rich rewards." |
"Spanking a child in front of his siblings has
rarely, if ever, caused a child embarrassment. Young
children are not easy to embarrass. If they are
slightly embarrassed, it may motivate them not to
repeat whatever misbehavior led to the spanking.
Spanking in front of siblings will also encourage said
siblings not to commit the same disobedience."
"The "I Mean Business" Spanking. This is usually one to several stinging swats to the clothed bottom, delivered with a firm hand or a paddle. This type of spanking should be reserved for repeated misbehavior or some serious offense knowingly committed by an older child. The offending child should be require to bend over and place their hands safely out of the way on a chair or counter. The parent should outlast until the child submits. Then one or several swats are given." "With slightly older children, if I am stuck in an awkward situation where I need good behavior but don't want to discipline immediately, one of my favorite solutions is to "count". For example, if we are going shopping, I stop before we enter the store and go over my behavior expectations with my children - don't touch anything, talk softly, stay right next to me, and so forth. I also explain to them that if they disobey me in the store, I am going to "count". I will add another "count" each time they disobey, and they will receive the number of swats that I've counted once we return home. So, if I tell a child not to touch something and he does it anyway, I will count: "one". If he touches again a few minutes later, I will count: "two" and so on. I have found this counting method works very well will my children who are old enough to appreciate after-the-fact discipline. I don't think I've ever gotten past the count of three before they've taken it to heart and shaped up." "Another reason why spanking often doesn't work too well with some children is because the parents present it as an option. The spanking is considered a "payment" or "punishment" for some specific misbehavior, rather than a correction designed to change behavior. This may seem like a fine line, but older kids pick up on this quite readily. They will often decide to do as they please and take the risk that they might get spanked or otherwise punished for it. Whenever I spank one of my children, I do it giving the clear impression to the child that the behavior is not ever acceptable, and he will be spanked again until he stops the misbehavior permanently."
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BACK TO THE BIBLE
This site contains transcripts from a
now defunct Christian radio show on which the subject
of child discipline was frequently discussed,
especially by regular guest, Elisabeth Elliott and her
daughter, Valerie Shepard. Valerie has eight
children and carries on the discipline tradition she
learned at, and across, her mother's knee.
-HP June
8,
2000 They need a mother and a father who speak the truth to them, who say, "If you do this, then this will happen." For example, with a young child, "If you touch that cord, you will be spanked." The truth is that you will give them a spanking. You don't give them threats, empty threats. So children need to hear that from their parents. They need to know that their parents' word is true. Elisabeth Elliot: I like what Barb Tompkins taught her children. "If you do this, you are choosing a spanking." If the child persists in doing the thing, which has been forbidden, then she very calmly takes the child on her lap and says, "Katie, I see that you have chosen a spanking. And now, I must give it to you because God says that I as the mother must teach you. You are my child." And she thereupon administers the spanking and reassures the child that she loves her. The children come to understand that the parent is serious. But I think it's an excellent idea to get across that very important principle, "You are the one that chose the spanking. If you do this, you are choosing a spanking." Valerie Shepard
(speaking to her mother): The gentle
firmness that I remember you speaking to me with
was a security to me. I knew that you meant what
you said. It gave me confidence in your word and
it also gave me confidence in the Lord's Word,
because you simply and confidently told me that I
was to expect a punishment if I behaved a certain
way. You simply and confidently told me of the
Lord's reality in your life, which made me want to
believe and I did believe in the Lord from an
early age. September
25,
1998 But where I have problems is in how to give the spanking and the resistance my children put up. They ask, 'How hard will the spanking be? How many spanks will they get? Can they have a hug first?' and then are still unwilling to bend over compliantly. I don't even feel I need to answer these questions for them, but they are questions in my own mind. Do you or Valerie have thoughts on this, or experience that would speak to this problem? I end up getting angry in the giving of the spanking more than in the original offense." So this was my answer to Pamela. "It is encouraging to know that my program has been a help to you as a mother of four. I'm glad you still come back to spanking. It is a scriptural form of punishment," and let me put in here in parenthesis that you find six or seven references to the use of the rod in the Book of Proverbs. My letter goes on, "As for questions, first of all I would sit down with all four of your children together and explain to them that spankings differ. The sins or offenses differ. The children differ in age, and you will not tell them in advance how many spankings they are going to get, or how many swats. Tell them that you love them and that they must trust your wisdom to give the right spanking at the right time as hard as necessary. For any spanking, you can tell them that it must be hard enough to hurt, otherwise it is not a spanking. I would say no, you will not
give a hug first. The hug is like dessert. They
have to eat the spinach first. For a small child,
I would give the spanking with a ruler, a wooden
spoon, or a paint stirrer. February
22,
2001 "We can add to our God-given
cross by agitated resistance and an unwillingness
to suffer." Every parent knows what agitated
resistance on the part of their little child is; I
certainly remember that my mother kept a little
switch about 18" long over the door in every room
in the house. It didn't very often get used
because all mother needed to do would be to lift
her eyes to the top of the door and usually we
would be galvanized into action.
January
21,
2001 Number two, maintain a calm normal tone of voice. A calm, normal tone of voice--the minute you raise your voice, the minute you start screaming at your child, you are losing his attention. It's like the boy who "cried wolf." You scream all the time, you get into the habit of screaming, and the child gets in the habit of tuning you out. Number three, tell her once.
"Mandy, I want you to sit down. If you do not obey
me, I'm going to use this..." whatever--ruler,
wooden spoon, paint stirrer, thin switch. Just a
little swat on the little bare legs, enough to
make the little child cry, that is a measured,
controlled bit of pain administered by a loving
parent who has not gotten angry. Now you see, if
you repeat the command you're going to get angry
yourself, and then you'll be tempted to abuse the
child. So the third rule is tell her once.
August
22,
2001 Nancy Leigh DeMoss: So, sometimes the children have the high standard! Lisa Barry: And don't they enjoy seeing their siblings punished for things, too! Elisabeth Elliot:
Well, they love that! January
15,1999 The point we're making again
and again is that you cannot start too soon to
teach the child that it's you that's in charge and
not that child. The posterior application of
superior force-that's a good definition of
spanking. October
18,
2000 Then the day came when I was a mother. Because I loved the child, I have to make the child suffer. Everything in our modern mind and attitude is that you don't want anything bad to happen to anybody, ever, for any reason -- except the people you can't stand. But anybody you love, you certainly wouldn't make them suffer. It is a gift. A loving God gives good
gifts to His children, and what did He give His
beloved Son? A cup of suffering. September
7,
2000 I can remember my mother
saying that to me. I love you, so I have to spank
you. Or, I love you, so I'm going to use that
little switch such as on top of the door in every
room in the house. November
12,
1999 July
10,
2001 I had been very nasty to the old man who lived next door to us. I can't remember what in the world I had said or done. But I remember my mother coming out onto the porch and pulling me into the house, going through the living room and the dining room and the kitchen and taking me out to what we used to call "the shed." It was a sort of a shed in the back. And she got the roughest rag she could find and she got a block of that horrible tasting yellow soap and she washed my mouth out! I mean she scrubbed the inside of my mouth. I can assure you I never sassed that old man again. I am quite sure I probably did a lot of other things that I needed to be spanked for. But that was just one of the unforgettable occasions when the authority of my mother was very clear and very obvious. Now there were times when there were really bad things, and the worst thing we could hear would be our mother saying, "You're going to have to talk to Daddy when he comes home!" And that, of course, was scary! August
16,
2001 Elisabeth Elliot: Could I stop you right there for a second, Val, and ask if it might not be a good idea for some of these parents who write me letters and say, "I don't know what to do, because I can't control my anger when my child disobeys," you just said that you take the child to the bathroom. So, just that little interval between the offense and the rising of your anger and then getting to the bathroom is at least a sort of a cushion there where you're not going to beat them unmercifully or use hasty violence against them. My heart breaks to think of how awful it is when parents really do abuse their children. But that would be one suggestion. Do you want to talk about that a little? Valerie Shepard: Yes. To take them away from the scene, especially when there are other children around or other adults around, it helps them to be taken to a spot where they know discipline will happen. It helps the mother or the father to get a few seconds to think what it is that needs to be done here, rather than "this child has got to be whipped and beaten." We don't want to whip and beat our children. Spankings are self-controlled tools for the discipline of the Lord, and they are not done with hasty and angry violence. I think that spankings do have to be hard enough to hurt, so that the child knows the consequence of what he did was wrong. But not only is it good for you to have the few seconds for them to go to the bathroom--or even, I've sent my child to the bathroom while I wait a minute before I go in there--but it is also good for the fact that you want to teach them that their disobedience needs to be dealt with before their parent. Their mother or father, and before God. It can't be dealt with very easily in front of other people. Because the main problem there, is that they're worried about what people are thinking when they're looking at them. And, of course, the embarrassment and all that, is there with people around. And also, if you're trying to discipline in front of other people, you're more aware of what they're thinking. The parent is more aware of what everybody else is thinking than what God would want you to be thinking about. So it helps to have a separate room to take them to. May
2,
2001 |
While spanking is a very
effective tool in modifying a child's errant
behavior, it should not be overused. Use it for
willful misbehavior; you know, when the child gets
that glint in his eye that says, "Let's just see who
is the boss here." I also recommend using it in
response to violent behavior, such as punching a
hole in the wall or hitting the boy next door.
Reserving spankings for grave situations makes its
impact all that much more effective.
The Scriptures dealing with corporal punishment refer to the use of a rod (Proverbs 10:13; 13:24; 22:15; 23:13-14; 29:15). The word refers to a small branch from a tree or bush (see Jeremiah 1:11 or Genesis 30:37). In modern English we usually call it a switch. You want one that is about a quarter-inch in diameter and about eighteen to twenty-four inches long. It should be big enough not to break in usage, but still flexible. However, it shouldn't be so flexible that it becomes a whip. Fresh, green wood works best. An advantage of going to get a switch is that it gives you a chance to cool off a bit, so the punishment is not delivered in the heat of anger. If wood is in short supply, my wife found out that a switch kept in the freezer retains its flexibility for several months. Try to make sure there are no knots or bumps. You might have to do some whittling. Take the offender off to a private place. The punishment is between you and him. It should not be an opportunity for his brother or others to get their jollies seeing another get punished. State clearly what the child did wrong and remind him of what was stated would be the punishment. Also state how many blows he will receive. A rule of thumb would be about ten. Decrease it for first-time infractions or ones with extenuating circumstances. Increase it for repeated misbehavior. For older boys, I recommend having them drop their trousers. The effectiveness of a rod comes from the sting in its use, not from the power of delivery. Jeans or other such material deadens the sting and just means you have to use more force or more blows to reach the same level of punishment. Another advantage of using the rod is that it doesn't require a lot of strength to deliver an effective punishment. However, once a boy reaches puberty, it is best to leave the spankings to dad since his pants will be down. Sit in a chair and have the boy lay his body across you legs. Once he feels the first sting, the natural reaction is to protect his bottom with his hands. Your leg will interfere and help prevent accidentally hitting his hand. Place one arm across his back to keep him from jumping up when the blow comes. Spaces the blows out several seconds apart. It makes each one more effective than a dozen delivered quickly in a row. I have had several "tough" teenagers tell me that spankings are nothing -- up until they received them in this fashion. When given a choice of punishments they will usually take the spanking the first one or two times, but then suddenly the alternative punishments become more popular. Some will take the punishment quietly. Others will wail all out of proportion to what is happening. Just remember Proverbs 23:14-15, "Do not withhold correction from a child, for if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod, and deliver his soul from hell." Some children learn that by making a lot of noise, the punishment is reduced. Keep to the punishment that you stated. When you are done, allow the child some time to compose himself. If you can, give him a hug, tell him you still love him, and that you hope he will do better in the future. Don't expect a loving response back. After all, "Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it" (Hebrews 12:11). I have had children, after they had a chance to calm down, come and snuggle up with me for a while. I think they just want to have some quiet reassurance that I still loved them. If that happens, don't use that time for further scolding; now is the time for positive quiet time. [more spanking talk here -HP} |
The parent must
administer the rod only as a directive from God, not
because it pleases them. When the rod is properly
used, the parent, as well as the child, will be
crying. The child will be hurting on the outside,
but the parent will be hurting on the inside. The
old saying, "This is going to hurt me more than it
hurts you" is absolutely true.
I doubt that any parent can properly discipline their children before they pray. Taking time to pray gives the parent time to bring the matter before God, and nobody can pray when they are angry. Prayer causes the parent to consider what God would have them do. Then the parent goes into the room where the child is waiting. When they confront the child, it is not as an angry parent, but as an ambassador of God. They will then sit down and calmly and deliberately explain to the child that they have broken the laws of God, and God always demands punishment. Proper child discipline always involves an explanation of why the spanking is necessary. You will not kill your child by spanking him, but you may very well doom him to eternal hell fire by withholding the spanking. It is very difficult to spank children, especially when they look up at you with fear filled eyes, but the wise parent understands that spanking does more than just correct a temporary fault. It teaches the child in a quite literal way that there is eternal punishment for sin. This is the purpose of using the rod. The child learns through the temporary pain of the rod that there is an eternal pain he can avoid by obeying God. It is unnecessary be over harsh in using the rod. A spanking should very seldom, if ever, be given for a first infraction. The child must know they are disobeying and the parent must know the child knows they are disobeying. Remember, the purpose of using the rod is not to inflict injury on the child, but to teach them that all disobedience eventually brings pain. Before the parent leaves the room, they should hug the child and tell them they love them and all is forgiven. When a child knows they will be spanked, they will naturally be afraid and tears will probably come. But the Bible says for parents not to spare the child because of his crying. Why? The purpose of discipline is to teach the child that wrongdoing will eventually bring pain. Think of the following things for just a minute. If the child is not punished for the "little things", they will begin to think they ought to get away with bigger things. Therefore, they will begin to get into more and more trouble, not expecting to pay for their wrongdoing. |
Discipline teaches the child
that sin has negative consequences. If you do not
judge and punish your child's sin, how will he learn
that God judges and punishes sin? Do not punish
every one of his failings. Be merciful. Pick on the
failings that, at his age, he must learn to
overcome. And any punishment you inflict must be
humane. Do not hit a child on the head, or twist his
arm, or pull his ears, or beat his frail limbs, or
rap his knuckles, or pinch him, or lock him in a
closet, or shake him (shaking an infant can cause
brain damage), or wash out his mouth with soap. The
best punishment takes advantage of his well-padded
rump, which God has furnished so that he can be
punished safely.
Of course, spanking is not
the only method of punishment. The many
alternatives may be sufficient to manage a docile
child. But there are times when only a spanking
will do. Some parents underuse spanking because
they fail to recognize that it is actually more
humane than the methods they favor. Unlike a
deprivation, or a chore lasting a long period of
time, a spanking quickly ends the unpleasantness
and restores a loving atmosphere.
Susannah Wesley believed that a parent should spank until the child whimpers, showing submission. She said that the loud cry at first is merely anger. But it is wise to be guided by common sense rather than by any rule. Susannah's rule may be helpful in managing a little child, but if an older child is spanked until he whimpers, he will soon learn how to manipulate you. To avoid punishment, he may whimper as soon as you get the paddle. But you do not want the child to be a whining coward. Let him learn to take his punishment "like a man." Or, to goad you by his obstinacy, he may never whimper. But you do not want to spank him excessively and so give him an excuse for feeling ill-used. Therefore, it is better to measure out punishment according to the offense. Discipline restores a loving bond between parent and child. After the punishment has been administered, you must put your arms around the child and assure him of your love. Your warm comfort at this moment will not only heal much of his hurt and humiliation, but will also seal in his heart a greater love for you. |
SPANKING
Certainly other trusted adults may be and should be
given the authority to spank one's children; but first
and foremost, it is the parent's role, responsibility,
and duty to spank their own children. If children know
that the people temporarily in charge of them (e.g.
the school, grandparents, adult sitters) will not
spank, they generally attempt more misbehavior due to
the lack of an effective restraint. If the spanking is
not administered, not only will wrong behavior
patterns develop in the parent's absence, but they
will also have less respect for their authority. This
disrespect will eventually manifest itself towards the
parents and towards God. ...
In Proverbs 20:30 "cleanseth" has the
understanding of scouring like a detergent. The
stripes should be hard enough to brake the child's
will, and consequently, the spanking will sometimes
bruise the skin. The word "child" in Pro. 22:15; 23:14; and 29:15 refers to a young child. The reference would include children from infancy to adolescence. Parents must start spanking early because the character of little children is fresh and much more easily molded than that of older children. ... After the disobedience and before the spanking,
keep the talking brief. The child is thinking of
little more than the ensuing pain. ASK QUESTIONS.
"Did you...(name the sin)? What Does God say
about... In order to honor the Lord in parenting, moms and
dads must practice Biblical discipline. To forsake
spanking for modern, progressive child training
methods is to forsake the God-ordained means by
which |
RAISE OBEDIENT CHILDREN
Go to a private place for
discipline. In teaching and disciplining our
children, our intent is not to embarrass, but to
instruct and punish. When a child is punished in
front of other people, their attention is not on the
instructions the parents may be trying to give them;
their attention is on themselves and their
embarrassment. I cannot tell you how grateful I am
to have learned this wonderful secret. The times of
training we had with our sons were intimate and
fruitful, in part because we went to a place alone
and gave our undivided attention to each other.
Establish authority by asking "Who says I am to punish you?" The child soon learns to answer, "God." This shows the child that the parent is also obeying an authority. The child can understand and appreciate that just as children are to obey parents, so parents themselves are also under God's authority, which makes the whole family judicial process much more objectively fair in their minds. Establish the proper motive for correction. Ask, "Why am I punishing you?" The child should answer, "Because you love me." Children can understand explanations, and by giving them, we honor, respect, and teach our children justice. When they know the rightness of our actions, it makes receiving punishment less traumatic. The Bible is clear, "He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him" (Proverbs 13:24). We punish our children because we love them. There are a thousand and one reasons we can think of for not punishing them. They are so sweet, so cute, so innocent, I don't want to punish them in anger, I don't want to alienate them, I want to be kind, it hurts me so to hurt them, etc. None of these is enough, however, to stop a parent who loves a child from justly punishing clear disobedience to a clear rule. Tell the child the number of swats in advance. Advance notice of the number of swats to be received shows that punishment is a deliberate, calculated, and fair process, not a resolution of parental emotion or anger. Advance notice forces the parent to make a just decision and gives an opportunity to the child to respond. If our son said, "My brother did this same thing yesterday and only got three swats. Why are you giving me four?" we listened. The limited participation of the child in the discussion of numbers was welcome in our home. We allowed discussion, but we all knew that the parent had the final authority to establish the number. In our house, if there was a second offence within a day, the second punishment was automatically twice the number of swats. We sometimes reminded our sons of this as a warning against future disobedience. We used paint sticks most of the younger years of our sons. Paint sticks were light and had enough flat surface to spread the impact over considerable amount of skin so as to make injury unlikely. We also required the removal of clothing because the instrument was so light. The point is to inflict pain, not cause damage. During junior high, the frequency of spankings was greatly reduced, and it seems like the last one was about the junior year of high school. In those final years, I used a flat belt, but by high school the "young sapling" had already become a "fine tree," almost always standing in the right position. |
The Fruit Doesn't Fall Far From the Tree When It Comes to GeeDubya
Leutisha Stills thinks America would be a better
place if only Barbara Bush had taken George W. Bush
over her knee more often when he was little.
"An individual is either raised with beliefs, values and morals instilled by his parents or guardians, or he's not. And no one has demonstrated this more blatantly than GeeDubya in terms of governing our country. When he was growing up and his idea of fun was to shove firecrackers up the rectums of hapless frogs and watch them explode, where was Poppy with the strap to GeeDubya's behind, to teach him respect and compassion for those who aren't as powerful as he was? Or, as the book suggests, ol' Babs was such an emotional wreck that she shut off any nurturing she could have passed to Dubya. "I'm reminded of a period in my childhood, when my own brother tried something similar with hapless bullfrogs, only he used an electrical outlet, attached electrodes to the frogs, flipped the switch in the garage, and short-circuited our house. When my parents got through with him (back in the days of "corporal punishment", i. e. whipping, LOL) he couldn't sit for a week, he was grounded for two weeks, and he spent the rest of his childhood respecting all forms of animal life. I got a spanking for being a witness and not saying anything to the folks (six year olds aren't supposed to "squeal" on the older sibling)." |
"Once you have decided that you must spank your
child, do the following:
"Tell them that they are going to be spanked. "Take them to a neutral area. If in the home, it should be out of sight of the other children. If at a restaurant or store, take them outside or to a corner where there are few onlookers. You never want to embarrass a child in front of siblings or other people any more than necessary for the moment. "Once in the proper location, carefully explain why they are getting a spanking and precisely the behavior that got them in this inevitable situation. Once the decision is made, do not consider turning back unless you become genuinely convinced that you have misjudged the situation. "Tell them how much you love them and that this does not mean that you are angry, but that you must do this so that next time they will listen when they are told. "Explain what is going to happen: "You are going to get 5 swats, and then we are going to talk about it for a minute, then it will be over." "If possible have the child lay across your lap with their bottom up. Make the 5 swats with an open hand only and only hard enough that they feel mild discomfort. "Sit them up at eye level, repeat the explanation, and have them agree that they will not repeat the behavior again. Ask them to apologize. "Assure them that this is the end of the punishment (if it is, certain offences or lack of remorse may require a time of quiet thought) and that you are not going to be angry with them about it. "Hug and love your child. "Children depend upon structure and routine. This means that all of your discipline- whether or not it includes spanking- should be consistent and as much as possible ritualized... Whether the decision is when to use spanking as a punishment, how and when to explain their punishment and the reason for it, to bare or not to bare, whatever- you should be consistent. Structure and ritual are keys for childhood development." |
Raising
Christian Girls
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for discussing discipline, spanking, and other issues on
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Spanking At Home And At School
Paddling is among the more
effective means of disciplining daughters. I highly
recommend it. At the same time, I think that paddlings should be administered by parents on their daughter's bare behind with sufficient vigor to bring about genuine remorse and repentance. The goal is not to put her body in pain so much as it is to reach her mind and settle the matter to the parent's satisfaction. Very rapid spanking with a hairbrush does just that! After a few unpleasant experiences, just the mere threat of getting mom's hairbrush is sufficient to bring about compliance. At other times, daughters need to be reacquainted with the experience. Sometimes, it takes more than once for a stubborn daughter to get the message. Often, it is not the big events that present so much difficulty as it is the routine misbehaviors that are common to childhood. These may include a tendency to talk back or not telling parents everything they should know about a particular situation. The sins of omission can land a daughter in more hot water than sins of commission followed by absolute honesty. In the midst of a major economic downturn, moms who would not have considered spanking their daughters only a few years ago are reconsidering their previous objections. After all, alternatives are often more of a problem for working moms and even a few minutes across the maternal knee can be thoroughly effective in reordering even the most stubborn daughter's priorities. Generations of daughters have lain on their beds with stinging behinds promising themselves that they would never, ever, again talk back to their moms, lie to their moms, or use profanity. Then, a few weeks later, they would be back in the same predicament making the same promises. Still, as millions of daughters know, absolutely nothing will get a girl 's attention quite a fast as a mom's hairbrush blistering her daughter's bare behind! |
THE LOVING ART OF SPANKING
"We must learn how to train
our children when they are young, and specifically,
we must learn how to train them in a way that goes
beyond scolding to enforcement of God's standards of
right and wrong. But how is this done? What is God's
method of enforcing proper behavior on our children?
How do we "restrain" their actions, even to the
extent of taking physical measures to assure
results?
"The solution offered in Scripture is the rod. "Beating with a rod is not acceptable to modern psychologists who think they know better than God. These false teachers view spanking as a form of violence, of child abuse. Well, it is indeed a mild, restrained use of force and pain (not violence); but it is not child abuse. It is a carefully administered dose of superficial injury which is designed to bring about repentance and a change of behavior. We know it is restrained since the proverb tells us that the child beaten with the rod "will not die." The aim is not serious injury. The aim is pain which results in a change of heart and of actions. "Proverbs presents parents with the choice: they can give their children a moment of physical hurt or an eternity of soul-tormenting pain. The rod is the means God has designed to transform children from rebellious to obedient. "Let's consider the nature of true obedience. "First, true obedience is prompt obedience. Children are commanded to honor their parents (Ex. 20:12) as part of their general duty to honor all authority, and ultimately the authority of God himself. This attitude of honor is made evident as children respond to the command to "obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right" (Eph. 6:1). Is God pleased if He commands me to do something and I take my time about responding? No, true obedience, that springs from honor to God and those He has placed in authority over me, is prompt obedience. If the heart is submissive it will cause the child to want to respond immediately when a command is given. Delay and dawdling suggest that he does not want to obey and is putting it off since it does not suit him at the present. Postponed obedience must be treated as disobedience. It is not obedience "in the Lord." "Second, true obedience is complete obedience. Just as delayed obedience is an assertion of self-will as to the timing of the act of obeying, so incomplete obedience is an assertion of the will as to the amount of conformity necessary. If my six year old daughter is told to bring all the dishes off the table into the kitchen and she brings all but the water glasses, that is not obedience, however promptly it was carried out. She may figure someone else should help her. She may decide it would be handy to leave the glasses so they are available for the next meal. She may think a lot of things to justify herself, but 90% obedience is disobedience. "The need for complete obedience on the part of a child suggests the need for a parent to be very clear in giving directions. If the command is vague, obedience cannot be exact, and it would be wrong to spank a child who simply did not understand what was expected of him. Now of course, we all know that children can take advantage of the situation and claim that they did not understand or did not hear, but that all the more underscores the need to be clear. It is best to have eye contact with the child to be sure your command is heard, and perhaps even to have the command repeated back if there is any tendency for the child to "misunderstand" or "not hear." Requiring a "Yes, sir" or "Yes, ma'am" as a sign that the direction was heard and understood is also a good idea. "Third, true obedience is cheerful obedience. Here we get thoroughly into the matter of attitude. God is always more concerned with heart attitude than with outward actions, though both are important. "Our children must not only conform their actions to the commands we give them, they must also do so with a cheerful spirit and without complaint. This does not mean they cannot seek clarification to be sure they understand what is expected, but their attitude must be right. They cannot be permitted to gripe, or to heave a big sigh of disgust, or to roll their eyes, or to scowl, or to shake their heads, or to walk away from us with body language that communicates disdain. Such behaviors clearly evidence an un-submissive spirit even if accompanied by outward actions of conformity to the directions given. The rod should be used in such cases as surely as if the child had steadfastly refused to obey at all. "The spanking should be administered by the father if he is present (and by the mother in his absence). He wields the authority of the rod as the head of the home and he should apply the discipline when he is with the offending child. This would apply even if he is in the basement fixing the plumbing while Mom is out in the garden with the children. When one of them disobeys Mom, she should get Dad to administer the discipline. This honors him as the family leader and reinforces to the rest of the family that Dad is in charge. The failure to obey Mom was not only an offense against her, it was also a sin against the father whose authority in the home (delegated to his wife) has been challenged. Besides, as we have already noted, the force required for spanking is more readily exercised by a man than by a woman. "Now it is important that the mother not become the comforter while the father becomes the bad guy. She must support his role as primary disciplinarian and not allow any attempt of the child to set the parents in opposition to each other. As we'll see below, when Dad spanks a child, he himself should end up comforting him. Then Mom receives the child back as one properly chastened and back in fellowship, but she should not give comfort in a way that suggests that Dad was either wrong to spank or too harsh. As the man's helper, the wife must stand by him as he deals with the souls of his children. "When Dad is not home, Mom must do the duty of spanking. She should use the same force and demand the same respect as her husband (although we can readily see the disadvantage of having fathers away from home so much of the time). She should not use the line, "Just wait until your father gets home" since discipline must be prompt and she has the right to wield her husband's authority in his name just as if he were doing it himself. Having said this, it is not inappropriate for a father when he gets home to use the rod on a child who has shown a general spirit of disobedience during the day with his mother. Besides whatever spankings the young one received at her hands for specific offenses, his Dad can deal with the general attitude of non-cooperation which constitutes a distinct offense against the authority of the father who has left the mother in charge. "Mom spanked you for not cleaning your room when she told you to, for hitting your brother, and for throwing your sister's doll. I'm spanking you for disrespecting my wife and assistant by not obeying her orders as if they were my orders." "The father should not spank in anger. Now anger is not inappropriate for a person whose authority has been rejected or ignored. But he should wait until his anger subsides so that he is not tempted to be violent while he is using the rod. He should be in full control of his emotions when he sits down to begin the ritual of corporal punishment. The use of the rod should draw father and child closer together, but a spanking in anger will have the opposite result and may harden the heart of the child and make him less responsive to the promptings of grace. "As to the spanking itself. It should be carried out in private to focus the attention of the child on the parent and to eliminate any other influences (not to mention the threat of hotline calls if you discipline in public). The reason for the spanking must be clarified so that the child understands exactly why he is about to experience pain. At this point it would be good to identify not only the specific offense, but the root problem and any applicable scriptural principles as well: "You threw your sister's doll even though we've told you to leave your sister's things alone. When you do that you are breaking God's eighth commandment (do not steal) which teaches the need to respect the property of others. For that reason I have to spank you. It's the duty God has given me as your father to help you learn to obey God." For the child to be able truly to repent, he must understand his offense as a sin, a sin against God as well as his sister. "For the spanking itself the child must be put in a good physical posture for the act. Smaller children can be laid across the knees or lap. Older children could be told to lay over a chair or the edge of the bed. Part of the child's duty in receiving the discipline is to cooperate with the process and to assume the necessary position without complaint. "Speaking of complaint, the child must have an attitude of submission during the process. He should not be allowed to protest or resist your attempt to put him over you lap. He must have a submissive attitude in accepting the need for discipline and receive it willingly. His carrying on and fighting you would become another offense that requires another spanking. "Scripture tells us the part of the body to spank: "Judgments are prepared for scoffers, and beatings for the backs of fools" (Prov.19:29). God has designed an area of the body to receive corporal punishment. The back, the buttocks and the back of the upper legs are a safe place for a beating since there are no vital body parts that may accidentally be injured in the process, and the latter two parts are preferable since they are farther from the head and have more natural "padding" (and are less likely to be visible to anyone else in case the "stripes" remain a while). "How hard and how long do you spank? The idea of corporal punishment is to inflict enough pain to break the will without doing serious injury. In the King James translation of Proverbs 19:29 it recommends "stripes for the back of fools." This suggests that a proper beating will be forceful enough to leave marks: red lines or even possibly welts that disappear shortly. A spanking is supposed to hurt! Mere tapping with the rod, or spanking through layers of clothing and diapers, will not be effective. It is the pain that works brokenness. A father may need to teach his wife how to use the rod in his absence. Most women are by nature more gentle and find it hard to apply sufficient pain in spanking to achieve the intended result. But without pain a spanking is a waste of time and will only serve to frustrate both parent and child. "Your aim should be to spank until you elicit a cry of repentance from the child. Some children will begin crying before the rod even makes contact with their back sides, but it is not mere tears that you are after. Other children will respond to the blows with the rod by crying out in protest or anger, but this is definitely not what you are after. This response must be distinguished from a cry that signals the child is yielding his will and succumbing to the pain. Perhaps this sounds cruel, but what do you think is the point of spanking?! If it is not a token gesture, a symbolic event, then we must press on with the infliction of real pain, despite our sensibilities. The pain is what God uses to break the will and produce a submissive spirit. Call it tough love. Just remember you are fighting for the soul of your child, and the Lord expects you to persist until you win the battle for his life. God will hold your responsible if you don't restrain your child's behavior and train him to yield to authority. The rod is your tool to that end. "One final question that may arise: For what age child is discipline with the rod appropriate? The simple answer is, At whatever age he evidences foolish (rebellious) behavior. There is no age too young nor too old." |
"Jesus Christ is our
substitute. He's taken our place.
"This concept was driven home to me quite graphically when I was a youngster. I had done something wrong. In those days, most parents believed in corporal punishment, "Spare the rod and spoil the child." When I did wrong as a child, I would receive a spanking, the consequence of my doing something wrong. My father would explain to me that this was not something he wanted to do; he was not doing it in anger. Instead, he was doing it for my good. Then he would have me pull my trousers down, bend over his knee, and then he would carefully apply his belt three or four times to the appropriate place on my anatomy, which he referred to as my "padded stern." I know that some of you recoil at the very thought of such discipline. I myself would find an adult temper tantrum, which strikes out in abusive behavior, abhorrent. There was something good, clean and final about what my dad did. "He used to say in that preparatory conversation, 'Johnny, you don't realize that this hurts me more to do than it's going to hurt you.' On one occasion, I snapped back at him, declaring that I didn't believe that. And then he said, 'I won't do to you what my father did to me. He used to take me out to the wood shed and give me the same kind of speech I'm giving you, and I challenged him just like you just challenged me. But in that case, my father pulled his own trousers down, handed me the switch, insisting that I give him the spanking I deserved. That was the most painful thing I ever had to do, to have my dad take my place for what I did wrong.' "Jesus took your place. He took my place. He was our substitute." |
The Spanking Mother
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A generation ago, there would have been no need for
this site. Spanking needed no defense. Most parents
spanked their children and didn't feel like they were
doing anything wrong. After all, they had been spanked
as children, and they had turned out all right, thank
you very much. But over the decades, spanking has been
attacked. Some "experts" advise parents not to spank
their children. Some even go so far as to say spanking
may harm children. Spanking is said to have no
instructional value; to teach children aggression; and
to be abusive.
The majority of American still feel that children need an occasional spanking, and well over 90% of parents actually use spanking.1 Are the majority of parents harming their children? Or do the parents know something that the experts don't know? I believe that parents know something that the experts don't. I believe that parents know that spanking--if properly used--can be an effective form of discipline that does not harm children. I think it is time for parents who spank to raise their voices. We have allowed the anti-spanking movement to shape the debate on spanking. It has gotten to the point where parents who spank are afraid to admit it for fear of being labeled ignorant or child abusers. But remember that those who think spanking is wrong are in the minority. Why should we let the minority tyrannize the majority? Especially, when the majority is right!! * * * Let me be clear about what I mean by spanking. A spanking is a series of smacks with the open hand or paddle on a child's bottom. Hitting a child on the face or any part of the body other than the bottom is not spanking. This site is a defense of spanking and only spanking. A spanking is painful, but it should never leave lasting marks like bruises or welts. A parent that slaps a child in the face or hits her until she is bruised is not spanking. That parent is being abusive and that is not what I am defending here. There is no excuse for parents abusing children, and those who defend spanking are not defending child abuse. However, we should not stop spanking because some parents cross the line into abuse. If spankings are to be effective, they must be painful enough for your child to want to avoid them. Most children cry when spanked; some cry hard. Parents don't like to hurt their children, so why should they spank. As we have seen, it is sometimes necessary to use punishment, and all punishments are painful. Having to pay a ticket for speeding is painful; staying after school is painful, not getting to go to a party because of misbehavior is painful. Punishments have to be painful if they are to work. (Remember punishments are unpleasant consequences that stop an unwanted behavior.) We should not stop spanking because it is painful. A parent must sometimes do unpleasant things for the child's own good. A parent may have to let a doctor give her child a shot. The shot is painful and makes the child cry, but it is necessary. A spanking is the same way. It is painful, and no parent wants to do it, but it is sometimes necessary. Letting misbehavior go unpunished would be even worse. For example, a parent does a child no favors by ignoring her lying. The child will grow up to be a chronic liar that no one will trust or want to be around. Is that better than giving a couple of spanking for lying early on? I think that spanking is no more harmful than any other punishment. In many cases, I think it is preferable to other punishments such as time-out or grounding. The advantages of spanking are its intensity and its duration. There is no doubt that spanking is an intense (strong) punishment, stronger than sitting in a chair or staying home. But you need an intense punishment when other forms of punishment aren't getting the job done. You also need intense punishment for misbehavior that is particularly dangerous or flagrantly disregards your authority. You sometimes need intense punishment, and spanking is about the strongest, most intense punishment there is. The second advantage of spanking is its duration--it's short. Unlike grounding, which can last a day or more, or time-outs, which can last for several minutes, a spanking is over in a few minutes or less. I don't think there is any point in dragging out punishment. It should be delivered swiftly and then the parent and child can move on. * * * Question: My family just got back from vacation. We had a great time except it was tainted by one incident that kind of upset me. My two daughters had asked if they could go ahead of me and their dad to the pool. We said yes, but they were supposed to go straight to the pool. When my husband and I got there, they were no where to be found. After some frantic minutes looking through the hotel we found them in the game room which was not on the way to the pool. In fact it was in the opposite direction!! My husband and I were very upset. We had told the girls several times on vacation not to wonder off, and we told them this time to go straight to the pool. We felt the girls had disobeyed us. My husband took the girls back to the room and gave them both a spanking. Although I agreed with what my husband did at the time (and still do) I felt guilty. I felt like the vacation had been ruined. Should children get spanked on vacation? Answer: Vacation is a time to relax, and some of the rules that parents have--like bedtimes--get relaxed as well. Parents naturally want vacations to be fun, and they want their children to see that mom and dad can have fun. But despite the relaxed, fun atmosphere, I do not think parents should suspend all rules. The biggies like telling the truth and obeying mom and dad should never be suspended. As I have tried to stress, one of the keys to effective discipline is consistency. And this means disciplining whenever and wherever misbehavior occurs. So to be consistent, you should discipline whether or not you are on vacation. Therefore, I think your husband was quite right to spank your daughters for disobedience. It is unfortunate that it had to happen on vacation, but do not feel guilty. You should never feel guilty for caring enough to discipline your children. * * * One of the major keys to effective discipline is consistency. Therefore, you must discipline your child whenever She misbehaves--even if She was spanked only hours before. On a rare occasion, you may have to give your child two spankings in the same day. But if you are spanking rather than beating, this will not be excessive physical punishment. And if you are spanking effectively, you should rarely have to do this. However, your child must know that you will discipline consistently. If you discipline consistently, you should see a decline in misbehavior after a spanking. * * * The number of swats that should be given depends on several factors: whether the parent is using his hand or a paddle; whether he is spanking on clothes or underpants; the size and strength of the parent; how hard he is swatting; the size and age of the child, to name a few. Therefore, I have not given any suggested number of swats. Each parent will have to gauge this for himself. Remember to strike a balance between a spanking that "makes an impression" and a beating. Too few swats and the child will laugh off the discipline; too many swats and you are guilty of abuse. If you decide to use a paddle, you can find a paddle in novelty shops as well as online at places like eBay. You could also buy a small blank fraternity or sorority paddle. Try your local college bookstore or search online. If you continue to have trouble finding a paddle, you can always have one made by a woodworker in your area. When you buy a paddle, do not get one that is too heavy. Instead, choose one that is light, relatively thin, and has a short blade. This type of paddle will be easier to use. * * * You can not allow sassiness and back talk. And you should not tolerate your daughter telling you no. When she is defiant, it is certainly appropriate to spank her. As for complaining or whining, you might be able to prevent her from whining about things like what she has to wear or what she eats by giving her choices of what to wear or what to eat--within reason, of course. If she chooses something and then whines about it, just ignore her. She'll soon stop. Also make sure she gets plenty of attention when she is being good since whining may be a way for her to get attention from you. However, if you ask her to do something and she whines and does not do what she was told, then you should consider this to be defiance and spank her for it. By the same token, if you tell her she can not do something but she continues to whine and plead to do it, then this should also be considered defiance--she is not accepting your decision and therefore she is not accepting your authority. In such a case, she should get a spanking. If you reserve spanking for when she is defiant and disobedient, you'll find yourself spanking less. Also make sure you are spanking effectively and with sufficient intensity. If you spank effectively and with sufficient intensity, you won't need to do it very often. * * * There are advantages and disadvantages to letting caregivers such as grandparents, aunts, uncles or babysitters spank your child. One advantage of letting a caregiver spank is that punishment is immediate. Remember that if spanking is to be effective, the spanking should immediately follow the misbehavior. So by allowing a caregiver to spank, you make it more likely the spanking will be effective. Also by allowing a caregiver to spank, you make it more likely the punishment will be carried out. When parents pick up their child from a caregiver or come home to a babysitter, the parents are often tired and ready to have dinner or go to bed. If they hear a report of misbehavior that happened hours before, they sometimes ignore the misbehavior, thinking they are too hungry or tired to deal with it. Besides they think the misbehavior is water under the bridge since it happened hours before. Thus the child's misbehavior goes unpunished. This teaches the child he can act up with the caregiver, and he will not be punished. Not a lesson that ought to be taught. The disadvantage of letting a caregiver spank is that the caregiver might spank too hard and bruise the child. Also some parents are concerned that the caregiver might spank ineffectively because they are afraid of spanking too hard. Finally, some parents simply feel that spanking is something that is private and should only be done by the parents. If you feel uncomfortable letting a caregiver spank your child, then don't let her. However, be ready to punish your child if she misbehaves while with the caregiver. If your child does something with the caregiver that would earn a spanking if she had done it with you, then you must spank your child for that misbehavior when you get home. Be sure to consistently discipline your daughter for acting up with her babysitter. Don't tell yourself that you are too tired, hungry, or busy to deal with her misbehavior. Because the spanking will not immediately follow the misbehavior, be certain that you have your child tell you why she is getting spanked. This will help her make the connection between the spanking and her earlier misbehavior. * * * It often takes more than one spanking to make
misbehavior completely disappear. The fact that the
misbehavior does not disappear with the first
spanking does not mean spanking is ineffective. In
many cases, a behavior goes unpunished several times
before a parent decides to punish. By not punishing
the misbehavior, the parent has taught the child
that the misbehavior is ok. When the parent finally
decides to punish, it will take several times before
the child realizes that he is now being consistently
punished for something he used to get by with.
Therefore, it is a good idea to punish a misbehavior
the first time it occurs. * * * Your child should know that if she lies, she will
be spanked, so she does not need to be told that the
next time she lies she'll get a spanking. When
spanking is used as a last resort; that is, in cases
where you decided to use spanking because other
punishments are not working, then give only one
warning. Suppose your child has been missing curfew
lately. You have tried other punishments, but they
have not worked, so you decide to use spanking. Tell
your child that the next time she misses curfew, she
will get a spanking. (Don't just give the warning;
punish as well. So you might give your child early
bedtime for a week and the warning.) If your child
misses curfew after the warning, spank her. Do not
give multiple warnings as this only teaches your
child that she can ignore your warnings and continue
to misbehave since you do not follow through on your
warnings most of the time. * * * Question: Should a child be spanked even if they are contrite and sorry for doing wrong. My little girl will often cry and say I'm sorry mommy when she has been caught being naughty. I really believe she is sorry so should I go ahead and spank her anyway when she is sorry? Answer: Yes, you should punish your daughter even
if she is contrite. Often children are not genuinely
contrite--they are sorry, but only sorry they got
caught, not sorry for what they did. But even if
your daughter is genuinely contrite, you should
still spank her. The spanking is not retribution for
what she did, but rather the spanking is to teach
her not to be naughty in the future. The spanking
must be given if her future behavior is to be
shaped. Also if you do not spank when your child
says she is sorry, then you teach your child to say
I'm sorry when she is in trouble since this allows
her to avoid a spanking. But that is not the lesson
you want to teach. You want to teach her not to be
naughty. By spanking when she is naughty, you will
teach her not to be naughty in the future. * * * Just as either parent can send a child to bed early or ground a child regardless of the child's age, then either parent ought to be able to give their child a spanking regardless of the child's age. Some critics of spanking have implied that the spanking of an older child by a parent of the opposite sex is tantamount to sexual abuse. But this is absurd: there is nothing inherently sexual in spanking. A loving parent offering only correction should not be embarrassed or ashamed to spank an older child of the opposite sex. And the child should not be embarrassed or ashamed either. Remember I suggest that children be allowed to keep their underpants on for a spanking. Most children will not be embarrassed about being seen in their underpants by either parent. If the child or parent is uncomfortable with this, the parent should allow the child to keep his pants on and spank with a paddle. * * * Some parents feel guilty after spanking, but I do
not think it is the normal reaction. The guilt that
some parents feel is the result of misinformation
spread by some anti-spankers. Some anti-spankers
equate spanking with child abuse and portray parents
who spank as being out of control. However, as I
have argued in these pages, spanking is not abuse.
Nor are parents who spank out of control. On the
contrary, spanking should be controlled. Parents
should spank only on the bottom, and they should
spank without leaving bruises and welts. So if you
spank under control, then do not let others make you
feel like a bad parent because you spank. * * * Question: Can a child cry too much after a spanking? My ten year old cries and carries on so much it seems like an act. She cries longer and louder than my five year old. What makes me think this is an act is that she did not use to carry on like this. Should I just let her cry it out like my mother advises? Or should I punish her for carrying on so? Answer: Children react differently to spanking. Some cry more or cry longer than others. Children ought to be allowed to cry before, during, and after a spanking. No parent wants to stop her child from expressing her emotions. However, children occasionally exaggerate their crying. Children may exaggerate crying before a spanking in a attempt to get the parent not to spank; children may exaggerate crying during a spanking to get the parent to stop quickly; and children may exaggerate crying after a spanking as a way to punish the parent for spanking. The fact that your daughter carries on more now than before suggests that she may be exaggerating. She is trying to get back at you for spanking her, or she is trying to make you feel guilty for spanking in the hope that you will stop using corporal punishment. * * * A child can show disobedience and defiance in several ways. She can outright disobey you and not do what she is told. A child can show attitude by stomping around, slamming doors, and talking back when told to do something. But a child can also show attitude by taking longer than required to complete a chore or by intentionally doing a chore poorly. In such cases, the child does what she is told but on her terms. He is trying to show you that you are not in control, she is. This attitude makes the child defiant. And when a child is defiant, she should be spanked. But be certain that the child is showing genuine defiance before spanking. There may be legitimate reasons why it took longer than expected to complete a chore or why a chore was done poorly. However, if there are no legitimate reasons, then you must punish; otherwise, the defiance will continue. Start giving them a specific amount of time in which to clean their rooms. Be reasonable about the time. Choose an amount of time that is realistic for your children's ages and the size of the job. Set a kitchen timer with the amount of time that you have decided on. Tell each child that if her room is not clean when the timer goes off, she will get a spanking. If a child does not have her room clean when the time is up, spank her as promised. Then have her finish cleaning her room with a new time limit. However, in most cases, rooms will be clean when the timer goes off the first time. * * * Timeouts should be administered by having your child stand with her nose in the corner. She should stand in the corner one minute for every year of age: a six year old would stand in the corner for six minutes; a twelve year old for twelve minutes; and so on. Children should not be allowed to leave the corner or to whine, complain, or talk while they are there. If they leave the corner, whine, complain, or talk, then the timeout starts over again. If your child continues to whine, complain, or talk while in the corner or if you child leaves the corner before the time is up, then consider this disobedience and spank your child. After the spanking, put your child back in the corner to finish the timeout. Grounding a child to her room, early bedtime, and timeouts are punishments that can be used before spanking. Suppose a child is teasing and tormenting her younger sibling. The first time this happens, scold her for it and warn her the next time she does it she'll be punished. If she torments her sibling again, you might send her to stand in the corner. Hopefully, this will be sufficient to stop the tormenting. However, if it happens again, then you should give her a spanking. * * * Many parents are reluctant to discipline their children when they are away from home. And when they get home, the children are usually behaving, so the parents let the earlier misbehavior slide. As a result, the children learn that they can get away with things outside the house that they would be punished for at home. If you only threaten when at church or the mall, your children learn that you do not follow through on threats in those places. They realize they can continue to misbehave in those places without consequences. If you want your children to behave the same outside the house as they do at home, you need to discipline them in the same way in both places. What would you do if your children continued to pinch and kick each other at home after you had told them to stop? If you would spank them at home for this, you need to spank them at church for it. Now, I'm not suggesting that you spank in public. I don't think children should be embarrassed by being disciplined in public. However, I do think you need to discipline when you are away from home. You should take your children to a private place to discipline when outside the house. You can take your children to your car or a private restroom to discipline. (Taking your children into the stall in a public restroom offers some privacy but is not ideal--use at your own discretion.) By punishing your children outside the house the same as you punish them at the house, you let your children know you have one standard of behavior that applies regardless of where you and your children are. If you discipline consistently when away from home, you will see your children's behavior improve. * * * But what if you spank your child for talking back. The critics would say, you teach your child not to talk back, but you have not taught her how she is supposed to talk to you. But you teach her how she is supposed to talk to you when you scold her before her spanking. Before spanking, you make sure your child understands what she did wrong and how you expect her to behave in the future. In this way, spanking does have instructional value. The critics might then ask why not just tell your child how she is to talk to you and skip the spanking. Unfortunately, telling children what to do is not always enough. Children often do not change their behavior unless the behavior has negative consequences--and spanking is a powerful negative consequence. * * * Spanking should not be used only as a last resort. There are some occasions when it should be the first resort. There are some diseases that must be stopped at once if they are to be cured. In such cases, the doctor uses the strongest medicine she has available right at the start. By the same token, there are certain misbehaviors that call for strong medicine from the get-go in order to keep them from continuing or spreading. Spanking should be used as a first resort when your child does something dangerous to himself or to someone else. Spanking should also be used when your child lies or is deliberately disobedient. What is considered dangerous behavior will vary with your child's age. A a toddler or preschooler might run into the street, play with matches, or stick objects into electrical outlets while an adolescent, preteen, or young teen might ride her bike onto a busy highway, try smoking, or post inappropriate material on the Internet. In cases such as these, you can not afford to just ignore the behavior in hopes that it will go away. Strong medicine--spanking--must be used to protect those involved. Lying and deliberate disobedience also fall into this group of misbehaviors that call for strong medicine--spanking as a first resort. Why these two? They tear at what binds parents and children together: trust and respect. Therefore, parents can not afford to take a gradual approach when the child lies or deliberately disobeys. Lying should always earn a spanking. Otherwise, your child will develop the habit of lying when it is convenient, and you will be in constant doubt about whether to believe what your child is telling you. This will destroy your relationship with your child, for doubt eats away the foundation of all relationships. If you tell your child not to do something, and she does it anyway, then that must be an automatic spanking. If you tell your child to do something and she does not do it, that must also be an automatic spanking. Otherwise, your child will learn that she does not have to respect your authority. Therefore, she becomes her own boss. But a child is not mature enough to be her own boss. A child needs rules and guidance, and she needs to know there are consequences for disobeying those rules. Spanking for disobedience assures your child will obey your rules. * * * When you must spank, take your child to her room, your room, or the bathroom. Where is not as important as long as you are guaranteed privacy. Your child should not be embarrassed by having others see her spanked. Therefore, never spank in public. And never spank one of your children in front of another; there is no need for the embarrassment this might cause. Carry out the punishment quickly. If spanking is to be effective, the delay between the misbehavior and the spanking must be short. Otherwise, children, especially younger ones, will not make the connection between their misbehavior and their punishment. If you are away from home when your child acts up, avoid the "wait till we get home" approach. Take your child to your car or to a private restroom. Taking your child into a stall in a public restroom will offer some privacy, but it is not ideal--use at your own discretion. A spanking should be delayed only when there is no place to spank in private where you are. Lack of privacy should be the only reason for delay, however. Although it is important to carry out a spanking as quickly as possible, do not start spanking until you are sure your child understand why he is being spanked. Critics of spanking often claim that spanking only shows a child what not to do, but not what he should do. However, this can easily be remedied by taking time to scold before spanking. Begin by having your child tell you why he is being spanked. Therefore, say something like, "I don't want you to raise your voice to me." Then tell your child how you expect her to behave in the future. So you might say, "If you have something to say, say it politely, in a normal tone of voice. But don't yell" I recommend spanking with your hand; avoid using implements. If you feel, however, that using your hand would not be effective--and this might be true with older children--then use a paddle, an instrument especially designed for spanking. I do not recommend using a paddle on children younger than eight. If you use a paddle, be careful not to cause bruising with it. If you have ever used your hand to give your child swats on her fully clothed bottom, you soon realized that your hand was receiving most of the punishment. Some parents solve this problem by spanking "bare bottom." That is, they have their child lower or remove all clothing below the waist. However, in most cases, I strongly recommend against "bare bottom" spanking since it is liable to be embarrassing for your child, especially an older one, and embarrassment should never be the goal of a parent. My suggestion, therefore, is to have your child take off her pants and spank her on her underpants. By allowing your child to keep her underpants on, you will spare your hand but allow her to protect her modesty. If you believe that your child will be embarrassed about being seen in her underpants, let your child keep her pants on and use a paddle to punish. However, most children will not be embarrassed to be seen in their underpants by either parent. For boys it is like having on a pair of swim trunks; for girls, a pair of bikini bottoms. If you do have to spank "bare bottom", be very conscious of how hard you are hitting. You do not want to cause bruising. Laying your child across your lap is usually the best position for spanking. However, you may find this awkward or impossible if you are using a paddle. Also you will find this position awkward or impossible if your child is too big to lay across your lap. If it is awkward or impossible to lay your child across your lap, then have your child lay face down on her bed (or your bed) for a spanking. The number of swats that you give will depend on many factors: your size and strength; how hard you are swatting; your child's size; whether you are using your hand or a paddle; and what your child is wearing. Thus there is no fixed rule for how many swats to give; you must use your own judgment in deciding when your child has had enough spanking. Stop too soon and the spanking will be ineffective. Remember a spanking must be painful if it is to be effective. However, do not spank so much that you are abusive. A spanking should never leave bruises or welts. After the spanking is over, some parents make their child stand in the corner or sit on a chair. Other parents send their child to his room. Still other parents put their child to bed. These all have the effect of letting the child cry himself out and giving him some time to think about his actions. Since one advantage of spanking is its brief duration, I do not recommend drawing it out. Therefore, have your child sit on a chair for a few minutes to compose himself and to think about how he should act in the future. Once your child is composed, answer any questions he may have about why he was punished. Remind him that you love him and that it was his behavior that you did not like; he is not disliked. Then the matter should be closed. Expect that the lesson will be learned and move on. If you find that the lesson was not learned, then another spanking may be called for later. But if you spank effectively, the lesson will usually be learned. |
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HEADMASTER
SMACKED
GIRLS' BARE BOTTOMS
[News story]
Brendan Finucane, prosecuting, said: "The incidents went beyond acceptable forms of corporal punishment. He sought to gratify his own strange desires, exercising power over the children concerned." Two of the counts, he said, involved the original complainant. When the girl was 10, she was called into [Headmaster] Peverett's study and told her work was "not up to par". Mr Finucane said Peverett pulled her across his knee, pulled up her skirt and removed her knickers before smacking and rubbing her buttocks. |
28 LITTLE GIRLS
DISCIPLINED FOR GIVING EACH OTHER SPANKINGS
[News Story]
[Welasaco, Texas] "Twenty-eight students have been suspended from a La Joya Middle School. Administrators say action was taken on a group of girls because they were spanking each other. The suspension has upset many parents. One woman says her daughter was just playing around with friends, and doesn't feel they should be punished. Students served a one day suspension." |
To ensure that the child is aware of their misdeed, and they never forget it, it is often best to smack the child across the bottom with the Bible as you speak out their misdeed. Each word would be one healthy whack across their naked hind quarters. For example: "YOU" [WHACK!] "DIDN'T" [WHACK!] "EAT" [WHACK] "YOUR" [WHACK] "BRUSSEL" [WHACK] "SPROUTS" [WHACK!] "YOU"[WHACK!] "LITTLE" [WHACK!] "DEMON!" [WACK!] and finishing off with a lighter whack, "did" [whack!] "you?" [whack!] |
The Chronos Continuum (Link updated 6/19/2007)
We
were interrupted as we stepped outside by wailing
from the next yard. Looking over, we saw our
neighbor, Mrs. Cates, a young mother in her early
thirties, sitting on a deck chair, with her 4 year
old daughter Rachel across her knees, the
youngster's dress pulled up preparatory for a
spanking. Little Rachel seemed like a nice girl to
us, but her mother was very strict, and frequently
resorted to spankings for discipline. Rachel was now
crying and kicking.
"I dint mean to spill. It was a accident." Mrs. Cates answered with a slap on Rachel's bottom. "Well then, this will teach you to be more careful." Susan and I looked at each other, and for once agreed. Without a word, she raised the device and pressed.
... Mrs. Cates was near tears from hysteria. Since she could imagine no other cause for their transformations, and since Rachel seemed to be enjoying the change, she decided her daughter must be its agent. She stalked back to stand in front of her, briefly disconcerted to find herself looking up at the underside of the maturing girl's breasts, so different from her own now flat chest. "Rachel," she piped shrilly. "Stop this at once! Do you hear me?" She reached up to swat Rachel's behind, now about eye level, and to an impartial eye, quite curvaceous and attractive. Her tiny hand covered only part of one cheek, and her blow felt shockingly weak to her against her child's firm ass. It also had a surprising effect. Rachel barely felt the slap, realizing just how weak her mother had become, but it brought forth many memories. She caught her mother's hands and held them firmly. "No, Mommy. I don't want you to hit me any more." Her adult face frowned at the small child. "It's bad to hit, so you're being bad. You know what that means." Mrs. Cates paled, and began to thrash ineffectively in her daughter's grip. "No, Rachel - you can't. I'm your MOTHER." Rachel just smiled, a beautiful woman unconcerned about logic or her nakedness. "I think I'll be mommy for a while," she decided, "and you be the little girl. And you've been bad." Mrs. Cates began crying, but Rachel just sat down, pulled her mother across her lap, and pulled up her dress-like shirt. Her baggy underwear was pulled down easily, exposing her tiny, pink bottom. With a big smile, and obvious relish, though without much technique, she began spanking her mother. |
"Melissan's
Fall: Punishment fit for a goddess"
By Dark Oni
The Adventures
of Batgirl and Supergirl: "Girls Night Out"
By Nomdreserv and Dark Oni.
If you liked the "Chronos
Continum" story above, you might also like these, with
a similar element of a woman age- regressed to a
little girl's body and then disciplined like one.
"I'm sorry. Please. I'll be good." She pleaded, hoping to escape some of her punishment as she futilely tried to stop the elf's pull. "It is far too late for those promises, isn't it Melly? As I recall you broke every one of them. No. Certain little girls only understand one thing and what you will learn, eternal ward of Tobyn, is that violence will not be acceptable." Aerie intoned. Once Aerie had sat on the chair Amylissan found herself pulled by the wrist over the elf's lap. She knew what would happen next and to her credit, she tried to fight it. "No. You will not!" she yelled. Despite the protests she felt Aerie easily force her wrist behind her back, snatch the other one and lock them both in place. Aerie's free hand then grabbed the back of her loose trousers, bunched the material in her hand and pulled them down to Amylissan's knees. She kicked, she struggled, she even tried to bite, but nothing got her free. Either the Priestess was stronger than she looked, or Amylissan was weaker. Within moments Aerie's open palm was smashing into her bare bottom and every blow stung more terribly than the last. Amylissan bawled like a baby. The pain was great and she was humiliated as well, but there was something more. Her control, her maturity had fled her. She felt like a little girl, despite the knowledge she still held in her head. She was no longer Amylissan she realized, she did not deserve the name. Aerie was right, Melly was the only title that fit now. Another surge of energy roiled from her belly, spreading to her limbs. Within seconds everything around her seemed to grow again, though Melly knew it was actually she that was shrinking. The spanking continued along with her
regression. Clothing loosened, boots slid from
shrinking feet, a pair of dull clomps interrupting
the steady pattern of smacks as heavy leather met
marble floor. Melly's eyes blurred with tears
that she then felt rolling down her cheeks. * * *
Patricia startled awake and glanced at the time, her headache intensified by her interrupted sleep. She saw her youngest peeking in the door. "Jenny? What is it? What's wrong?" Jenny hesitated, afraid to admit the misadventure, then shrugged nervously. The uncertain gesture drew Patricia's anger. "What are you still doing up? Where's Courtney? Why hasn't she put you to bed?" "We were playing..." Jenny began meekly. "Playing?" Patricia almost shouted, getting up and grabbing at her slipping skirt absently. "At this hour? What's wrong with you girls?" Jenny broke under the strain. "I didn't mean it, Mommy. I was playing with the magic necklace Supergirl gave me, and I shrank Amber, but only a little, and then we shrank Courtney, only sort of a lot, and that's why it's not her fault, and we made her like she was a Barbie and it was lots of fun, only now she's still little and she's not happy and they said I should ask you what to do." Patricia stared at her daughter icily. "So, let me get this straight. Not only did you ignore my orders about bedtime, but you're back to lying about super girls and magic nonsense after I expressly forbade it." She continued grimly as Jenny cowered. "And Courtney is encouraging you? I'll speak to her next, but first, young lady, you need to see what comes of lying and disobeying." "No, Mommy, no!" Jenny wailed, holding her hands over her bottom. Neither of them noticed the medallion glow back into life as her mother grabbed her arm and pulled her towards the bed. "I'm not lying!" "Lying about lying only makes it worse," Patricia warned, wrestling with Jenny. For some reason, she found it harder than usual to control Jenny's struggles, and her daughter seemed heavy as she lifted her up. She must still be groggy from sleep. Another surprise came when she tried to sit on the bed - she couldn't, and had to jump onto it instead. If she hadn't been so busy trying to restrain her kicking daughter, she probably would have wondered at both this and the way her feet dangled off the floor. "I warned you, Jennifer," she snapped, hoisting the girl onto her lap with a grunt, barely able to lift her. She pulled Jenny's dress up. A strong tingle swept her body. "Now, hold still." The first two blows fell in the normal routine, Patricia grim and Jenny crying, but by the third, the mother began to notice something wrong. Jenny was feeling heavier again, for one thing, and her small body seemed strangely wide, completely covering Patricia's thighs. It almost looked like another adult across her lap. Must be the way she was lying. Her hand felt small on Jenny's backside, and she had to keep shifting to keep the blows centered. Her shirt slipped over her shoulder and felt amazingly baggy and loose, but she thought that must be from sleeping in it. She tried to resume the spanking after straightening it, but now Jenny seemed to lie at a funny angle, making it hard to swing her hand down. She was also amazed at her daughter's strength, now almost impossible to restrain as she continued to struggle. Jenny noticed the changes too. She felt the first blow as usual, but then they seemed to rain down with less and less strength. By the fifth, she barely felt a sting. But by then, her attention had centered elsewhere. Hanging over her mother's lap, she could see Patricia's feet dangling above the floor. They looked awfully small, and seemed to be getting closer to her. Patricia paused as the changes became blatant, overwhelming even her unconsciously resolved resistance. Jenny was as big and heavy as an adult, and almost impossible to hold. In fact, a quick comparison to her daughter's outstretched hand showed it might even be bigger than her own. "Jenny!" she gasped in panic. "What's happening? You're growing! My God, you're ... you're huge." And heavy - she was crushing Patricia's thighs. "Get off! GET OFF!" She shouted the last in a strange, shrill voice, as she realized Jenny was too big for her to move. In fact, Jenny dwarfed her shrinking lap now, and her bottom was almost chest high. Patricia kicked and squirmed helplessly before Jenny finally rolled off on her own accord. They stared at each other in amazement. Jenny was almost as tall, standing on the floor rubbing her behind and sniffing back tears, as Patricia was sitting on the bed. Despite her amazing "growth," her clothes fit perfectly. Jenny, on the other hand, stared back in shock, her fear and indignation almost forgotten at the sight of her mother, small as a toddler, sitting in a puddle of skirt, her feet almost lost beneath its edge, and her shirt drooping over one shoulder. Even as she watched, she continued to shrink, her feet pulling up beneath the collapsed skirt, and her face - frozen with a mask of wide-eyed disbelief - beginning to sink into her sagging shirt. "Jenny, what's happening?' she repeated in a much higher voice, even as realization slowly sank in. She disappeared into her shirt, which closed emptily around her dwindling frame. As if on cue, she started to struggle in her oversized clothes like a collapsed tent, her body rolling across the bed, leaving the empty skirt behind. "Jenny, help!" her muffled voice squeaked. "I'm trapped!" Seeming to break out of a trance, Jenny blinked - and the medallion's glow faded into cold, dull metal. She reached nervously towards the thrashing bundle of clothes, grabbed the shirt and pulled, sending her foot-tall mother sprawling across the bed. Her nervousness dissolved at the comical sight - her mother, dazed and goggle-eyed, sitting up on the room-sized bed and staring around in disbelief. Her bra had become dislodged in her struggles and almost come off entirely, the hammock-sized garment hanging uselessly over one shoulder. Jenny giggled at her mother's cherry-sized breasts and how absurd they looked next to the gaping cups of the empty bra. Patricia's panties had also slipped loose, and lay draped across her thighs like a flag. Patricia's eyes finally fixed on her smiling daughter. "It...it was true," she said, as though still trying to convince herself. Jenny nodded, anger displacing her fading fear at the memory of another of her mother's summary judgments. She rubbed absently at her slightly reddened bottom. Patricia tried her standard, direct approach as rage flooded her. How dare Jenny shrink her? "Jenny, you change me back right now. Immediately." The almost naked woman stood belligerently on the bed, barely eye level to her young daughter, who seemed strangely calm in the face of her mother's anger. She dropped her useless bra and tried to better cover herself with the ungainly giant panties, pausing to glare at her immobile child. "Do you hear me, young lady? Now! Or I'll ... I will ..." She trailed off, not exactly sure what to threaten in her new circumstances. "Uh uh." Jenny shook her head. Pleasant memories of dominating Courtney flooded back, and she reveled in another sudden reversal of fortune. Patricia stamped her foot and waved her fist. "What do you mean, 'uh uh'? I'll spank your bare bottom so hard you'll ... EEK!" The last was occasioned by seeing a giant hand suddenly reaching to grab her. Jenny's hand covered her mother from breasts to thigh, and she picked her up and held her sternly in front of her face. "You were being mean, Mommy. And you wouldn't listen to me. And... and that's bad. You know what happens when you're bad?" The question seemed uncomfortably familiar, and Patricia suddenly realized why. She gasped again, and held her balloon panties tightly against her bottom. "You don't mean... you can't..." The panties were tugged effortlessly aside as Jenny turned her mother over in her hands. Seconds later, the first of several loud slaps was followed by squeaking cries of outrage and embarrassment, changing slowly to cries of real pain. It was the last - and most unlikely - spanking
ever administered in the household. |
GIRL SPANKED BY
HER FATHER IN FRONT OF CLASSMATES AT SCHOOL
[News story]
CUDAHY, WI --
(Associated Press) The Cudahy School District
has changed its visitation policy for parents after
a father spanked his daughter in front of other
students in her high school biology class.
"The students were horrified," James P. Heiden, the district's director of student services, said of the incident. "It took everybody by complete surprise." Both Cudahy police and the Bureau of Milwaukee Child Welfare have reviewed the case at the school district's request, and neither found basis for child abuse or neglect. "Obviously it's unusual to have a girl spanked in front of the class, it's highly unusual, but not a police matter, not at this time from the information we received," said Cudahy police Sgt. Randy Scheel. Heiden said the district visitation policy now calls for parents to meet with students only in the office, not a classroom.
The
girl's mother, contacted at home Monday evening,
told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel her daughter
"comes from a very loving family. There's nothing
to be concerned about." |
The Crown alleges that Mr. West spanked girls, ages 11 to 14, on their bare buttocks with a shoe and then rubbed their buttocks with antiseptic cream... [T]wo girls were called to West's office because they were not wearing full uniform. West told one to go back to class, but detained the other. She told the court the following: "He dragged me into his office and slammed the door behind him and said, 'I'm going to teach you a lesson.' Then he slapped me across the face. I started crying. He pushed me by the throat and I fell back against the bookcase. He pulled me by the arm and pulled me over his knee. He was kneeling on the floor. He pulled my skirt up and hit me about twice. Then he pulled my knickers down. He hit me across my bare bottom. He kept hitting me until I said I'm telling my mum and dad about you. He put his hands on my shoulders and said, 'I love you more than any other kid in this school. You need not tell your mum what happened.' " |
The
Plain Dealer, August 19, 1997
ELYRIA (OH)--Use the rod and you could go to jail. Raymond Boyle could get two years in prison after pleading guilty yesterday to child endangering for spanking his teenage daughters with their pants down. Gary A. Crow, executive director of Lorain County Children Services, said the case shows how blurry the line can be between discipline and abuse. Ohio law permits use of reasonable corporal punishment, but prosecutors said Boyle's methods were a mental risk to his daughters, 15 and 13. "It's not that he administered corporal punishment, but how," said Lorain County Prosecutor Gregory A. White. "He was way over the line." Amherst police Detective Alex Molnar said Boyle, 39, required his daughters to strip naked from the waist down before spanking them last year. Officials said one girl was spanked three times, with the first in January 1995 and the last in April 1996; and the other was spanked in April 1996. Molnar said they confided the humiliation to a school counselor after the April incident. Molnar said the girls were punished by their father repeatedly for minor things, including misbehaving on the school bus or disobeying his rules... In an interview with Molnar, Boyle said he "whupped" his daughters with a belt, requiring that they strip because it added humiliation to the punishment. |
SPANKING BY PARENTS AND SUBSEQUENT ANTISOCIAL BEHAVIOR OF CHILDREN
This
study examined the use of spanking as a form of discipline by American
mothers of children aged 6-9. The
researchers found that little girls whose mothers
had given them one spanking during the week prior to the
beginning of the study were less well behaved two
years later in comparison with their overall age
group. But, little girls whose mothers had
given them two spankings in the previous week showed an
improvement in behavior two years later.
However, before any mother of a 6-9 year old daughter reaches for her hairbrush and starts dreaming up pretexts to turn her little princess across the knee on a twice weekly basis from now on, be sure to check the other results of this study. Note that the girls (and boys) who showed the greatest improvement in behavior over the two years of the study were the ones whose mothers gave them no spankings at all in the previous week. This just underscores the basic premise of this website: that a good, sound spanking is a method of discipline best used on make-believe little girls, not real ones. |
Overall, the more
frequently the children were spanked at the
beginning of the study, the more badly behaved they'd
become two years later.
(Alas, if only spankings worked as well on real life children as they do on make-believe children!) |
PRESIDENT OF LIBERIA PUBLICALLY CANES HIS 13 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER
"Liberia's President Charles Taylor has administered
publicly 10 lashes to one of his daughters after the
school suspended her for indiscipline.
"The 13-year-old girl called Edena was made to lie flat on a table, face down before her classmates, to receive the strokes." |
By Sheila McLaughlin, The
Cincinnati Enquirer January 17, 2003 MASON - A judge on Thursday acquitted a middle-aged psychologist of an assault charge for pulling down a 14-year-old girl's pants and spanking her hard enough to cause bruises. The prosecutor and children's advocates expressed surprise at the decision in a corporal punishment case that raised questions about how far a nonparent can go in disciplining another person's child. Gary Freudenthal, 49, of Blue Ash, testified Thursday that he thought he had permission from previous conversations with the girl's grandmother - her legal guardian - to discipline the child, who was a friendd of his daughter. On Aug. 31, Mr. Freudenthal, a single father, said he was upset because the girl was picked up by police the night before on drug and curfew violations when she was supposed to be spending the night at his house after attending a football game with his daughter. So, he went to the grandmother's Mason home about 9:30 a.m.walked into the girl's bedroom after asking the grandmother where she was, took the girl out of bed, placed her over his knee and spanked her. When the girl laughed, Mr. Freudenthal said he pulled her bikini bottoms down and administered another spanking. A police officer testified that the spanking caused bruising on the girls' upper legs and buttocks. "I spanked her hard enough so she could feel it ... so it would sting, so she wouldn't be able to sit down, so she would remember it," Mr. Freudenthal testified. "She was so out of control." He said he hugged the girl after the spanking and told her, "I'm sorry it has come to this, but I want you to live." |
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"If you're rich or middle-class, you can cut your
kid's allowance; if you're poor, your kid might need
the allowance to live on. When a middle-class kid
loses his allowance, he makes do with fewer CDs or
video games. When a poor kid loses his allowance, he
makes do with fewer school lunches. Depriving a kid of
luxuries can be an effective punishment; depriving a
kid of necessities can be a form of child abuse.
"Spanking, by contrast, is an equal-opportunity punishment; it works equally well whether you're rich or poor. So simple economics suggests that the very poor, with fewer alternatives available, should spank their kids more - and they do... "Here's one good alternative to the economic explanation: University of New Hampshire sociologist Murray Straus has published multiple studies concluding that children who are spanked are less successful as adults. If the link is causal - that is, if being spanked actually lowers your earnings potential - and if spanking runs in families, then we have an alternative explanation for Weinberg's numbers: Low-income parents are more likely to spank their children because low-income parents are more likely to have been spanked themselves. Or maybe it's as simple as this: Poverty breeds frustration, and frustrated parents lash out at their kids. Does any reader have a better story?" |
"I'm for
corporal punishment," says Lily, now a local
undergraduate. "That might have scared us, rather
than just sending us for detention or scolding
us."... "As girls, we knew we could get away with
just a scolding or a suspension. The school used
humiliation to discipline us, but the pain of caning
would've worked better," she says. ...
YES, go ahead and cane misbehaving girls, said more than 60 per cent of Singaporeans surveyed in a straw poll of 50 people. And almost all also felt that girls were less well behaved these days. Of the 31 respondents who said 'yes' to corporal punishment for girls, many saw it as a way of instilling discipline. Madam Frieda Lee, 46, a housewife with two school-going children, said it would "ensure that the child is law-abiding and respects her elders. In fact, I use the cane too when it is necessary."... Respondents were... split on the location where the punishment should be carried out. If the girl's acts affected a large number of people - for instance, vandalism and assault - the punishment should be carried out in public for the offender to serve as an example. Otherwise, it would be better to cane her in private to prevent unnecessary shame. However, an overwhelming number felt that corporal punishment should be meted out only by the discipline master or principal so as to reduce the potential for abuse of this form of punishment. Still, an overwhelming majority - 47 out of 50 - felt that the responsibiliity for a girl's discipline should lie with the parents, and not with schools. As Benedict Lo, a 20-year-old NS man, said: "The best way is for parents to punish them when they are young so that they know their boundaries." |
"Spanking was widely practiced; and it was accepted
that people spank each other's children... The
spankings had to really COUNT or it wouldn't do any
good. Children were expected to sit quietly in the 2
hour services, and if they were taken out and
refused to say they were sorry, or kept crying
(which indicated that they were feeling sorry for
themselves and not for God ), they were spanked
repeatedly... I was instructed to spank my daughter
on her bare bottom until it was beet red. I didn't
feel right about this, but I thought I had to obey.
"Children were told to obey their authorities, which also meant that older children were other children's authorities. For example, it was not unusual to hear a child of 4 complain that a child of 2 wasn't obeying her authority; or a child of 10 would be spanked for not obeying the authority of an 11-year-old." |
GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE DEBATE
An article in the Evening Chronicle (UK)
"I really feel sorry for modern mums because
there's so much they are made to feel guilty about. I
always felt a little uncomfortable about smacking in
public but being a mother is an extremely difficult
job.
"The one thing I have been is utterly consistent. If one of my children was whingeing I'd simply say: `Stop that or I will have to smack you'. That way it is clear that it's the behaviour that is being punished. But once you've made the threat, you must follow it through. I actually found that the threat alone was usually enough. "The smack doesn't have to be violent - it's more the indignity of being smacked that affects children." Unlike the Turnbulls, Jane never felt a smidgen of guilt after smacking and neither did she always leave it as a last resort. "The thing about smacking is it's over in seconds. A time out in the child's bedroom takes half an hour. Then when they accept they have been wrong, of course, we'd have the cuddle, the closeness. |
By Suzy Gibson, The Leicester (U.K.) Mercury July 31, 2004 A man with an uncontrollable fetish for spanking has been jailed after a court heard his passion led him to indecently assault two young girls. Juan Raphael Suau, befriended the children, aged eight and 10, close to the home he shared with his daughter in north west Leicestershire in April last year. Convincing the girls' parents that he was harmless, Suau began taking them along when he walked his dog, Leicester Crown Court heard. After bribing them with sweets, he would play a game of chase with the pair, putting them across his knee and smacking their bottoms when he caught them, said Simon Eckersley, prosecuting. Suau's actions came to light when a social worker visited one of his victim's parents and was alerted to the 57-year-old. Police were called when one of the girls admitted that Suau often put her across his knee and he sometimes took down her and her friend's trousers and underwear. Suau, who later moved to Edward Street, Nuneaton, was arrested in March this year and admitted to police that he smacked the girls' bottoms. He denied taking their clothes off and said he did not believe his actions were indecent, claiming it was part of the game they played. He later pleaded guilty to four charges of indecent assault. Mr Eckersley then revealed to the court that Suau has been jailed on two previous occasions, in 1975 and 1996, for smacking young girls' bottoms. John Lloyd Jones, defending, said Suau's offending stemmed from a passion for spanking, rather than a lust for children. He said: "The defendant gains stimulation from spanking and smacking, and that is what he did on all these occasions. It was not his aim to do anything more with these children." Mr Lloyd-Jones told the court that Suau's fetish for spanking began at school, when he watched a female classmate being punished. |
Prince Andrew speaks out against spanking
As part of a campaign against child abuse, the
British Prince Andrew has said that he does not
believe in spanking children. On a morning news
programme on Friday, Prince Andrew said that he has
never spanked his own children, 12-year-old Beatrice
and 10-year-old Eugenie. Instead, he and their mother,
Sarah Ferguson, use non-physical forms of discipline.
Andrew, the second son of Queen Elizabeth surprised the nation when he said that he had once been smacked by a teacher at his prep school. But, his parents have never hit him. |
Unspanked princesses, Eugenie and Beatrice
with their parents
How Armenian Parents Threaten Their Child With A Hand Spanking
Translation: "Shall I give five brothers?" Meaning: "Do you want a spanking?" |
In its most common usage as a means of domestic
corporal disciplining, spanking usually refers to a
child lying stomach down across the educator's lap -
misleadingly referred to as taking a child 'over the
knee' (OTK), though literally that is also possible -
and the parent or teacher bringing their open hand
down hard on the child's posterior. The buttocks are
filled with nerve endings and the sting from
sustaining repeated swats in quick succession is
immediate and highly uncomfortable. Hence the 'last
resort' reputation of this form of punishment...
Some child specialists say that if a parent must administer a spanking, it should not be done in anger (indeed discipline must be rational and consistent, not emotional satisfaction) - and only as a last resort when other forms of discipline have failed. They say that for a spanking to be educational it must be perceived as logical and just: the spankee must know what exactly it is for, the severity fitting the 'crime,' preferably according to previous warnings; and the threat should be systematically carried out, not whimsically, nor the severity altered without justification. Especially with young children, it should follow quickly upon being caught, and some warn against consecutive comfort such as hugging as that might confuse the child, maybe even lead it to think that the beating (and the crime leading to it) earned it the affection. Some recommend preceding the spanking with an explanation to the child of exactly why the spanking will happen - or in the case of older children, having the child explain this reason to the parent - so that the child understands what the misdeed was. Spanking is generally considered corrective punishment, without intention of permanent injury; however, such intentions do not always have their desired result. There are questions over what level of pain is appropriate until it crosses the threshold into abuse. Up until the mid-20th century it was perfectly acceptable in most communities for a spanking to cause a child to cry in pain throughout and have trouble sitting down afterward, even leaving stripes or bruises for days, sometimes even lasting scars. Today some (including courts in some countries) consider even mere redness of the skin abusive, though others would call it effective discipline. |
"I think smacking is right if it doesn't
leave a mark. After all I was smacked and I haven't
turned out scarred - if anything it taught me
discipline. If smacking is banned I predict this
country being over-run with anti-social youth."
"Smacking makes little children scared of
their parents and makes older ones hate them.
Children might think if the parents can smack them
the kids can do it back. I say NO to smacking. No no
no. And anyone who tolerates it needs to start
thinking." "I think it depends on what the kid has
done, and how hard the smack is." "I think that smacking your kid for no
reason is abuse, but if you smack them for being bad
that's ok. I agree that parents should smack their
children if they're bad." "Yes, but not if it leaves marks for a long
time." "I don't think it's very nice for parents
to smack children because it hurts a lot. It's abuse
and I don't think it's right ! There MUST be other
ways for children to be taught the differences
between right and wrong!" "I think smacking should be allowed as long
as there is no mark left, that it isn't hard and
that parents cannot do it all the time." "Adults shouldn't smack children because it
makes them angry and more likely to be bad again.
Also kids have rights too." "They should and they should not. It all
depends on what they have done wrong and how bad it
is." "I think it's perfectly fine because the
parent is the boss." "NO!!!! Parents should not smack children
because it is not nice at all and children may think
that their parents don't love them anymore." "I think it is totally unfair that parents
should smack kids. Adults should respect the fact
that kids are humans as well!" "No. An adult can't smack another adult so
why can an adult smack a child. Anyway where do you
draw the line at lightly?" "I'm still smacked and I think it's not
right. My parents think that they are right and I'm
in the wrong because I'm a child. Smacking is NOT a
good punishment." "Smacking YOUNG children is only a bit
acceptable but not older children as you can explain
the situation with older children but not younger
children. I also want to say I don't like it when I
am standing in front of child who's getting
smacked!!!! I start crying myself!!!!" "I think smacking should be banned as it's
not fair on the kids. If kids were to smack adults
then it would be a different story." "I don't think smacking is a good idea,
because if children get smacked at home then they'll
just smack at school as well, won't they? A small
tap is alright but I think telling-off is better
than smacking." "Smacking children makes them angry and be
more naughty and it teaches them to smack other
people." "I think smacking should be allowed. It
teaches discipline and stops the anti-social
behaviour problem and will teach children respect."
"I think parents SHOULD be allowed to smack
their children - up to a point. I was smacked until
I was about 9 but then I was punished in other ways.
Smacking is the only way to discipline a small
child...you can't explain it to them." "I don't think that smacks that hurt should
be allowed but I think little taps should be
allowed. After all you only get it if you deserved
it!" "Parents always say that if you get in a
fight at school you should tell someone. But who do
we tell when out parents hit us???" "I think all smacking hurts, so why should
only smacks that leave marks be banned - if parents
slap their children they set a bad example anyway."
"I think you should only smack a child if
you have warned that is what is going to happen if
they continue to be bad and only if they are doing
something really wrong like hitting." "I'm in two minds - smacking should be
banned but then parents have no way of disciplining
children and they would run riot." "I believe it is ok to tap children, when
they are young, but not hard, to show them right
from wrong if they are too young to understand, but
when you are older, you don't need to be smacked."
"I don't think children should be smacked
even if they do have problems, because their parents
might be smacking them too hard." "Children need to be told, I even think
they should bring back the cane!" "Well I think getting a smack from your
parents is ok if it's not too hard and if it is for
a good cause!" "I think it's very bad. Although a smack
can be quite soft, it makes an emotional mark and it
would make a young child very upset." "I think that smacking is ok as long as
there is a really good reason for it. I've been
doing schools in history, that even though it
sometimes used to get outta hand, using the cane in
classrooms used to be very effective as the kids
were scared of getting hit. I think that the same
goes for smacking: if a kid just won't stop doing
whatever they are doing, then the only way is to
smack them." "Smacking is OK if its for a good reason
but it's the parents choice if they smack their
child/children or not!" "It feels, you feel sort of as though you
want to run away because they're sort of like being
mean to you "It hurts very very much and you could just
say to the children 'go in your bedroom for a few
hours and watch the telly and later I'll have your
tea ready'." "My friend, she's six - cos when she's been
naughty, she always gets smacked and she doesn't
like it. And I don't like getting smacked either
because it hurts so much. I've thought of
another answer ... if they're very little, they
might think it's right to smack and go off and smack
somebody else." "It's painful and it sets a wrong example
for other people." "I was just thinking that if they changed
the law then a lot of people will realise what they
had done to their child and they would probably ...
be happy that the law was changed. If they don't
change the law they will think 'oh well, the child
doesn't mind so we can keep on doing it.' But
if they realise that children have been talking to
adults about it then I think they will definitely
realise that it hurts their child and they will be
very upset with |
This is a short story with multiple juvenile
spanking references. At the top of the staircase, a pair of young eyes
peers from around the hallway corner. Young Ruben
Shah smiles and his deep brown eyes dance as he
watches his mother and grandfather do battle. Ruben
loves both of them, but he takes a particular kind
of joy in watching the two argue. While Ruben and
his mother disagree from time to time, good home
training, common sense, and a healthy fear of his
father's belt combine to keep Ruben from ever daring
to go this far with any disagreement with his
mother. "I'm trying not to play games with you, Mah Dear. After all those years of whippings, I think that lesson finally sunk through." "Yeah, Ernestine, you always was a stubborn child. But a hard head makes for a soft bottom. I almost put in as much work putting that switch to your behind as I did washing those peoples laundry. And Lord knows I washed a lot of laundry." "Mah Dear, that's the reason I used to hate the summertime. When school was out it seemed like I got a whipping almost every day." "Well, we both know that if I whipped you once you
earned it twice. You was a good girl. I just had to
beat you regular to keep you that way. And it sounds
to me like it's been too long since you and that
switch had a talk 'cause you think you got too smart
and I got too old, that now you can put that
university tricknology on me and make me forget the
question. Now before I get you sister Gladiola to
drive me all the way out to your husband's home with
a strap across my lap, you need to tell me what's
going on with your father." "I remember one morning, when you was a little thing, I was in the kitchen cooking breakfast. You'd crawled into bed with your father and the two of you was just waking up. And Earl used to make this noise in the morning, got on my nerves. Sounded like a bullfrog's death rattle played back on a record set too slow. Aaaahhhot. Aaaahhhot. Aaaahhhot. Sometimes, when I stood in the kitchen and heard that noise leaking out of his mouth, I thought about putting something extra in Earl's grits just so I wouldn't have to hear those damn bullfrogs ever again. So, Ernestine, I know a little bit about what you was going through this morning." "You do Mah dear?" "Yes, girl. I do. You're not crazy, at least not yet. That's just part of life with your daddy. And there was times when life with Earl had its good parts. " "That morning the two of you was dueling bullfrogs. He was going Aaaahhhot. Aaaahhhot. And you was answering back as best you could. Aaaahhhot. Aaaahhhot. And it was driving me crazy. I hollered back there for you to stop. I knew I couldn't tell Earl to shut up, not back then. But I figured one croaking toad was easier to bear than two." There is a thrill that we never outgrow, the primal narrative of having our parents tell us stories of our youth, stories that we ourselves might only vaguely remember. Hearing the exploits of our younger selves and our younger parents is much like the golden days of radio when audiences stared at a wooden box and listened intently, using their imaginations to embellish their mental pictures of what was happening. "Did I cooperate?" asks Ernestine. "Oh, you got quiet for a while. But your daddy kept on croaking. Aaaahhhot. Aaaahhhot. And hearing him have so much fun made you bold. Before I knew it, both those damn bullfrogs was back." "So I set down the mixing bowl and walked to the bedroom, looked right at you, and told you what would happen if I heard anymore bullfrog noises come out of your mouth. And I thought that kind of promise, and the fact that I'd just whipped your tail the day before, would shut you up. Maybe even Earl would see how close you was to getting into trouble and he'd stop too." "But Willie Earl Shorter never does anything the easy way, and neither does his daughter. Midwife pulled him out the womb with as much sense and judgment as he had money in his pocket." Ernestine feels guilty, but can't help but laugh out loud. "Laugh all you want Ernestine, but you weren't much better. I swear you had to be born with an extra layer or two of skin, some covering your rear end and come covering the opening to your ears. One kept you from listening to what I told you to do, the other kept you from feeling the switch like the other kids when I beat you for not listening." Ernestine thought her mother's efforts at explaining childhood misbehavior through pseudo-science sounded like a less articulate Thomas Jefferson attempting to rationalize his ownership and abuse of enslaved Africans: "Their kidneys don't function as do those of Europeans. They sweat more through their glands, emitting a most unpleasant odor. They require less sleep. Never have I heard one of them utter one word above plain narration." "So sure enough, my thick-headed, thick-bottomed little ol' Ernestine can't help but join back in bullfrogging with her daddy before I even have a chance to pick that mixing bowl up." "I wonder sometimes did you realize I was going to beat you and decided the fun was worth the pain, or were you just too busy playing to even think about the fun you was having on credit and the fact that that bill was going to come due on your behind real soon. "Mah Dear, I think I was mostly caught up in the moment, having fun with Daddy. I might have vaguely thought I was safe because I was playing the same game Daddy was playing, and that that meant you couldn't whoop me." "Well, he did stay in bed longer than usual. He ate breakfast, went to work late. Bought you a little piece of extra time. He took so long to leave that I think you forgot what you had waiting for you. You had the nerve to look surprised when I came in the bedroom for you." "Well, Mah Dear, it was the way you called for spanking that was almost as scary as the spanking itself. "Come 'ere, you wall-eyed heifer you!" Ernestine contorts her face and shouts, almost grunts, these words out like some odd cross between a plantation overseer and a Marine Corps drill instructor. The imitation is less than flattering, but Eliza Shorter laughs until water leaks from her eyes because her daughter has captured her dead on. |
Spanked As Kids
"my parents believed in spankings i guess in a way
i do too. but not so much to hurt. just to get there
attention. but sometimes depending on how bad we
were we might have gotten the belt. the worse
on was by my grandmother and she did it with a
switch. horrible." "I got spanked. It was my mom who did it and
she did it with a Tupperware salad spoon. She
would give us fair warning. Her theory was
that hands should be for loving, not hitting.
I always deserved it when I got spanked and I will
say it straight up that I needed my butt whupped
more often growing up. I was horrible and I
had a temper and my mom and I were constantly in a
battle of wills. "I was spanked as a kid and then it went to
spanking and corners. i remember getting it for
lying and beating my brothers and sisters (or them
beating me) i have 5 brothers and 5 sisters. i think
it does work and i use it with my kids. I was
spanked with a wooden spoon and when we were really
bad we had to get our own branch from a tree." "I was spanked with a belt or hand by my mother.
And the worst for me was when my grandmother spanked
me because I was getting ugly with her for cleaning
my bookshelf and my stuff wasn't in the right place.
I deserved that one. And I know I deserved the
others. But I really wasn't hit that often. I
was a pretty good kid." "my mom used whatever was close to her. i have
been whipped with belts, switches, (that she made me
go pick!) shoes, ping pong paddles, hangers, egg
turners, and flyswatters! she would hit me for
anything she thought was out of line! i was also
made to stand in a corner for 3 or 4 hours and i
wasn't allowed to shift my weight. if i had to do
dishes, i was not allowed to make any noise while
doing it, if i did, she whipped me." "Was I spanked as a kid? Oh my god yes!!
"I have three kids and have given out a total of 5
spankings in 11 years. That is all it took. When
done correctly it is very effective. I was spanked
the same way and used my mom's technique. The
offenses were 1. hiding behind a convienience store
(next to school playground)during a math test while
everyone was looking for me, 2. setting my carpet on
fire (candle and nailpolish remover. It was supposed
to be a "spa" day), and 3. charging money for the
neighbor boys to look at my mom's bras( I wanted a
holly hobby notebook). All valid and needed
punishment. I think a couple were for hitting my
younger, smart mouthed brother. (He still has
a smart mouth..he is sooo funny!) "My mother used her hands and sometimes a wooden
spoon...but she kept breaking them (she loved to
cook with them) so she went to the spatula....ouch
that hurt. My dad used to belt, under dire
circumstances...and boy I learned. I also believe in
spanking. I can't say I remember what I did
especially to deserve a memorable spanking, but I
remember how it felt, and how I felt. and that I
needed to not do whatever I did again. I knew my
parents meant business, and I knew that they loved
me, there was no question about that." "I got spankings for really bad things. Usually I
was spanked with my mom or dad's hand, but sometimes
they used a wooden spoon. "I was spanked, by my mother, grandmother, and
even in public school where it was allowed.....I was
rather a good kid, so I was not spanked a lot....but
I remember nearly every single time I was,
vividly...I remember the anger, the pain, the
frustration and the humiliation...especially at
school where it used to be done in front of the
class. "I was also spanked as a child and it didn't do a
damn thing for me but teach me to dislike my mom...
I have never had a decent relationship with her and
just can't stand to be around her too long. i used
to get spanked for some of the dumbest stuff too. i
think there are better ways to discipline your child
that work just as effectively or even better than
spanking." "My cousin stuck a hamster in a microwave and blew
it up one time i think i was 6 and i just liked to
tag along with him he was my favorite but boy did i
get whooped for that one event though i didnt have
anything to do with it..my grandpa got us..he used
to have and actually still does have a paddle that
has holes in it and we would get whooped with that
and every time we got it we had to carve our names
in it and every whooping after that would get more
hits depending on how many time your name was on
it..not to mention he made us go and get the paddle
for him." "My mom would use an old ping pong paddle with our
names on it. She would use it whenever we needed it.
I guess we learned from it. I also learned how to
stop it. The last time we got spanked, I laughed at
my mom and she never did it again. She always
questioned herself and so I used that." "Me and my little sister got spanked as kids. It
worked for me, I quit getting spankings halfway
through elementary school, but they never really got
through to my sister, she was getting spanked even
in high school. This might be because they would
spoil her rotten after the spanking. We were usually
just spanked by hand, but my mawmaw used her hard
soled slippers and a switch for the older kids if
they were really bad. "My sister was 18 and I was 17 1/2 the last time
we were spanked. The other kids were all
16. Always with a belt, and always on the bare
behind. God it hurt!" "My mom spanked me with a belt or her hands.
I didn't like it then but as I look back on it now I
think it was what I needed. I like who I
have become because of tough love. The worst
one I ever got was also the funniest. I was in
elementary school and was caught by my teacher
playing Miss Mary Mack. Well, my teacher
called home and I got a spanking but my mom
instructed me to sing the whole song while I was
getting my spanking to make sure that I got tired of
singing it and wouldn't do it in class
again...LOL! Needless to say there was
no more Miss Mary Mack in class or hardly anywhere
after that." "Yes I got spanked, hit, slapped. NO it did NOT
make me any different. Just more scared, and distant
of my mom. It put up a huge wall between us. The
last time I got my butt spanked was most memorable
to me. I was 12, yes 12. My mom made me pull down my
pants. She sat on my bed and I leaned over her lap.
Now I am a TALL girl. So that was a little awkward.
With my 3 year old sister watching, my mom spanked
my butt like 20 times. I was mortified. A little
piece of me died that day." "We would get spanked but my mom rarely did it.
When she did it was usually when we were really bad.
She would use a switch from a bush in the back
yard. But alot of times by the time she
came back with the switch we would have disappeared
and by the time we came back she would not spank
us." "Yup--over the knee on my bare tush with mmo's
hand. i do the same." "Spanking was a regular part of my parents'
disciplinary regimen. As a little girl, I was
hand spanked by both my mom and dad. The hand
was quickly replaced by a progression of implements
once I started school. For "big girl"
spankings, my mom usually used a hairbrush and my
dad usually used a belt. I say "usually"
because my parents had other implements on reserve
for serious misbehavior, especially when I was in
junior and senior high. Being sent to pick a
switch was a tactic that both my mom and dad used
when they were very displeased with my
behavior. My dad wasn't locked into the
switch; he also was rather fond of using a razor
strap when I had gotten myself into serious
trouble." "my mom would spank us with our dad's belt. we would use 'underwear protection'- something my brother came up with where if we knew we were gonna get spanked, we would put on about 6 pairs of underwear that way it wouldn't hurt so much. that sort of worked, until my mom realized what we were doing, and then would make us pull down our underwear. i didn't learn a thing from being spanked, besides trying to lie better & not getting caught." |
Feb. 5--FORT WALTON BEACH -- An
Okaloosa County school bus driver accused of spanking a
7-year-old girl's bare buttocks on the bus was arrested
Jan. 29 and charged with lewd and lascivious
molestation. It was not the first time Michael Jeffery Bowersock, 27, of Fort Walton Beach, has been accused of a similar act, according to Michael Foxworthy, chief human resources officer for the school district. The girl in the most recent incident told her mother that on more than one occasion when she was the last child on the bus, Bowersock stopped the bus before her stop, pulled down her pants and spanked her with his bare hand, according to his Sheriff 's Office arrest report. During an interview at the Children's Advocacy Center on Friday, the child said that the incidents "were called spankings but were not forceful like the spankings she received from her parents when she got in trouble," the report said. The incidents occurred between Oct. 22 and Jan. 28, the Sheriff's Office report said. On April 11, 2008, a 6-year-old girl accused Bowersock of lifting up her skirt as he was buckling her seat belt, according to a Sheriff 's Office offense report. A 5-year-old girl told her parents that Bowersock spanked her on Jan. 23, 2009, according to an offense report. The mother told the Sheriff 's Office, but the exact location and potential witnesses were unknown. Bowersock is being held without bond at the Okaloosa County Jail. He is scheduled to appear in court March 2. |
When I was six or seven, and did something to infuriate my mother, she, being one to believe in corporal punishment, would tan my backside with her hand. After a few "tanning sessions" I realized that if I tightened my rear as hard as I could the "tanning" didn't hurt as much. Back then getting spanked wasn't as much fun as it is today. There was one particular swatting that changed the course of how she would reward my behavior. I had done something while she was at work, and when she got home and found out what I had done (honestly, I don't even remember what I did) she took hold of me, and lifted me off my feet with her hand. I tightened up my rear, back then it wasn't the soft pillows it has become with middle-age, and after a few whacks she let out a yell, and let go of me. Somehow she had broken blood vessels in her wrist, and had a blood filled lump at the area of her metacarpals. Ice and a week of being spank free, her wrist returned to normal, but she decided to find a new way of discipline. Since
my rear had hurt her, she found something that
would hurt my rear. And thus began a long
relationship with wooden spoons, and the
occasional hairbrush with a handle. I can't
even count the number of wooden spoons she
sacrificed in the name of discipline. I do
recall vividly her delivering swats with one,
having it break, and ending with a different
spoon. My rear was probably the cause of
massive deforestation due to the number of spoons
mom had to replace. |
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